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Milanese?

Postby Boaty » Thu Oct 03, 2013 11:28 pm

Hi all, just a quick question about wotr period, when people refer to Milanese style armour, I assume this style is from Milan? Stupid question but back then what exactly was Milan? Country, province or city state? I can't find anything to help, so any insight is appreciated. Cheers



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Re: Milanese?

Postby Simon Atford » Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:19 am

Milan was a city-state. In the 14th and 15th centuries it was as Dukedom by the Visconti family.



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Re: Milanese?

Postby Marcus Woodhouse » Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:38 pm

The Sforza dynasty ruled it for much of the 15th century. As a Contada it was bordered by the Serene Republic (Venice), Florence, Savoy (which was strictly a part of France), Austria and the Holy Roman Empire.


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Re: Milanese?

Postby Simon Atford » Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:51 pm

Milanese armour often comes up in discussions at our events. Would it be true to say that the late C14th was the hey day for the city's armouers?



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Re: Milanese?

Postby Colin Middleton » Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:53 pm

As far as I was aware, Milan remained a powerhouse of armour manufacture for the whole of the 15th C. However the Milanese style of armour wasn't that fashionable in northern Europe during the 15th C (but then the German styles weren't that popular outside the Empire). Milan dealt with this by manufacturing 'export' styles of armour, which featured characteristics popular in Germany, England, France, etc. As far as know, the German armourers didn't pursue this export market, presumably having enough custom within the Empire.

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Re: Milanese?

Postby Boaty » Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:46 pm

Thanks for all the feed back chaps, what was the most favoured type of helm worm with this type of armour?



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Re: Milanese?

Postby Marcus Woodhouse » Tue Oct 08, 2013 10:02 am

Armet, but it is not an easy helmet for re-enactment.


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Re: Milanese?

Postby Boaty » Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:08 am

Why not?



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Re: Milanese?

Postby Mark Griffin » Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:29 pm

Only just seen this thread. In modern museum and re-enactment terms 'milanese' rather tends to stretch to the other manufacturing city states, Turin, Florence etc and often as a catch-all for 'italian'.

Barbutes popular, armets the same. Armets offer fantastic protection bit limited vision. Fine if you don't give a stuff who you hit to front left and right but not much good other wise. Most of us consider them the minimum standard for mounted combat as the way the visor works in conjunction with a wrapper is safer than the sallet/bevor combination.


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Re: Milanese?

Postby Boaty » Sat Oct 19, 2013 11:51 pm

Have they got worse vision than a visored salet and bevor? Can't be that much worse surely?



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Postby Strickland » Sun Nov 10, 2013 7:48 pm

As I mentioned mate and as mentioned here earlier on, better for horse, not too good for foot, especially for what you want to do!!

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Re: Milanese?

Postby Adam R » Mon Nov 11, 2013 11:12 am

Boaty wrote:Have they got worse vision than a visored salet and bevor? Can't be that much worse surely?

If it fits well, the vision is about as rubbish as a sallet. But once you're in, you're in, there's no popping the visor up for a gander or (more importantly) a breath of air or gulp of water. At least, not without a good bit of fiddling at best. Sallets for foot, armets for horse IMO.


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Re: Milanese?

Postby Mark Griffin » Sun Apr 13, 2014 5:45 pm

But once you're in, you're in, there's no popping the visor up for a gander



You just lift the visor up... they have a raising pin on the right hand side. They don't have a sprung locking mechanism like some sallets.

This one by will west for example

http://www.englyshe-plate-armourie.co.uk/Images/PastProj%20Images/Italian/1440Armet/images/1440%20Armet%2002_jpg.jpg

This one of HVIII's doesn't have one but doesn't need it. Its designed for use with a wrapper and it fits snugly inside. I own a good copy by Mark Vickers and ride in it lots. Popping my visor up for a gander is no problem. but I'm still happy to take frontal impacts.

http://www.hrp.org.uk/Assets/Armet%20%28asset%29.jpg


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Re: Milanese?

Postby Mark Griffin » Sun Apr 13, 2014 5:54 pm

and more...

http://www.metmuseum.org/collections/search-the-collections?&what=Armets&deptids=4&pg=1

can't get enough Armets and spent hours with my face glued up to these chaps in Jan... yummy.


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