and if so do we need to use real fur or fake?
Thanks in anticipation

Sir Edmund Mortimer
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Vermin wrote:Don't know if you should wear it - but if you do this is the place to go http://www.houseofdeclifford.co.uk/
But then you could always argue that these half century old coats are no longer made. They are the real deal. And with that, maybe they should remain in tact. You never know, there is perhaps a market for such items. And if you end up quids in, you might be able to afford some re-enactment cloths that suit your needs perfectly... Just a thought. I'll hide in my hole again.Sir Edmund Mortimer wrote:Vermin wrote:Don't know if you should wear it - but if you do this is the place to go http://www.houseofdeclifford.co.uk/
Thanks for that link, we have some real fur coats from great aunts etc and thought we could use those, but need to know if we can or if we should. we dont agree with culling for the sake of using the pelts, but then commonsense says these coats were made back in the 40's / 50's ethics (although still wrong to us) were different and the deed has been done
British wrote:But then you could always argue that these half century old coats are no longer made. They are the real deal. And with that, maybe they should remain in tact. You never know, there is perhaps a market for such items. And if you end up quids in, you might be able to afford some re-enactment cloths that suit your needs perfectly... Just a thought. I'll hide in my hole again.Sir Edmund Mortimer wrote:Vermin wrote:Don't know if you should wear it - but if you do this is the place to go http://www.houseofdeclifford.co.uk/
Thanks for that link, we have some real fur coats from great aunts etc and thought we could use those, but need to know if we can or if we should. we dont agree with culling for the sake of using the pelts, but then commonsense says these coats were made back in the 40's / 50's ethics (although still wrong to us) were different and the deed has been done
Sir Edmund Mortimer wrote:Reenactment period 1350 - 1420 medieval nobility ... would ladies and lords have worn cloaks/coats or any garment edged with fur?
gregory23b wrote:You also have to consider the practicalities of using real or fake fur, for real you need to not do any form of manual work, no oil or dirt on it, it must be groomed, for fake fur o not come into contact with flames etc. Plus look at the types of fur for the various ranks, check out sumptuary laws, for example, lamb's fur or budge or bogie was a lower end fur, rabbit was a restricted animal not that prevalent outside of warrens etc.
Tuppence wrote:I'd doubt that many people these days without experience of handling real furs (which not that many people do have now) can actually spot the difference between a *good* fake fur and a real fur, without seeing the back, so it really is a personal choice.
Tuppence wrote:do bear in mind that to an extent sumptuary laws were a bit of a red herring. they wouldn't have needed to be re-issued ad infinitum if everybody had obeyed them.
Lena wrote:Tuppence wrote:I'd doubt that many people these days without experience of handling real furs (which not that many people do have now) can actually spot the difference between a *good* fake fur and a real fur, without seeing the back, so it really is a personal choice.
Do you have a source for good fake fur? The fake furs I've seen in shops, and occasionally ordered samples from online retailers, have always been obviously fake to me.
/Lena
Sir Edmund Mortimer wrote:Phew .... I have finished the cloak, it is edged in fur (possibly mink) all the way round and weighs a lot!!! i have had to do lots of hand sewing as a) to thick to go under machine and b) its showing... so more authentic. i have never made anything before so pleased with the result.
thanks for all your advise
The Iron Dwarf wrote:on another forum I use one person there had a sig that I think suitable for this thread.
it goes something like...
why do people get harrased for wearing fur but not leather.
because it is easier to harras and old lady than a gang of bikers.
personally I have nothing against using the fur of an animal that died for other reasons like food production and as most here wear leather shoes or a leather belt or use a bag / wallet I think those people who do want to complain should first make sure they are not using leather themselves
frances wrote:Mmm, red velvet.
Here is a hint - to keep it from flapping open in a strong wind: sew two vertical pieces of strong tape on the inside of the front flap, on both sides. You can then put one hand through the two loops and hold the opening closed. Don't know if they did this in your time, but they certainly did in the 19th century.
If this is your first garment, then you have done well.
and yes, both fur and velvet are heavy. So now you know, when the telly shows people with their cloaks flapping in the wind, that the materials are all wrong. Another thing that really grates on me.
houseoffreyja wrote:Just a quick question.
Are hoods on cloaks correct for that period?
We make cloaks and try to make them as authentic as possible, but it's something people don't seem to be able to agree upon. So,medieval cloaks.... hood or no hood?
Elaine
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