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Postby gregory23b » Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:31 pm

Who supplies silk in the medieval or near as method. Am looking at simple non-patterned weave?

My microscopically limited understanding of this fabric as at the 'I have heard that we often use the wrong type,. but the right type is avaiulable'.

Weights, from tissue to not as heavy as shirt weights.

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Postby Sophia » Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:36 pm

Right here is my attempt to match up period types to modern types:

Tissue - silk gauze or organza, very light and transparent

Veiling - silk chiffon if you can get the finest weight, not crepe chiffon.

Satin - Duchesse satin as used for wedding dresses, heavy.

Samite - Lighter weight satin (preferably not crepe back, lighter.

Tabby weave silks -

Heavy - Imperial Faille (higher quality), Matka (lower quality)

Medium - Heavy Taffeta (higher quality), Shantung (lower quality)

Light - Taffeta (higher quality), habotai (lower quality)

See suppliers list sticky at top of section. If you are coming to London I am quite happy to take you round a few good silk shops here in town.

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Postby gregory23b » Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:39 pm

Sophia, many thanks.

I am in your debt.

Yours

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Postby Tuppence » Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:02 am

Samite - Lighter weight satin (preferably not crepe back, lighter.


Samite is more like a crisp satin - similar feel to a lightweight taffeta or dupion, but shiny (satin weave).

It's still made, though hard to get.



There's also twill weave, which feel a little like a very soft linen or cotton.


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Postby sally » Wed Feb 04, 2009 7:29 am

just as a point of random interest, I was standing at the train station the other day idly inspecting the weave of my scarf, which is one of those 25%silk/75%wool mix 'pashmina' lookalikes at the moment, and I was thinking how nice it might be as the lining for something. Does that soft, satiny weave and general texture have any rough parallels amongst any of the historical silks? Its very floppy, probably its main drawback, but it struck me that if it was aproximately right in weave and texture it might do for posh bodice or sleeve linings, and it has the bonus of being easily got in a gazillion colours.



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Postby myladyswardrobe » Fri Feb 06, 2009 3:36 pm

sally wrote:just as a point of random interest, I was standing at the train station the other day idly inspecting the weave of my scarf, which is one of those 25%silk/75%wool mix 'pashmina' lookalikes at the moment, and I was thinking how nice it might be as the lining for something. Does that soft, satiny weave and general texture have any rough parallels amongst any of the historical silks? Its very floppy, probably its main drawback, but it struck me that if it was aproximately right in weave and texture it might do for posh bodice or sleeve linings, and it has the bonus of being easily got in a gazillion colours.


Short answer, as I don't have my TT book to hand, is YES Silk/Wool mixes WERE seen in period (I'm talking Tudor here!)

Favourite of mine is a silk/wool satin - sometimes known as a Bruges Satin or Russells (one has linen/silk mix can't remember which. As I said, need to check in TT which one is which. My brain ain't working properly today). This kind of satin was very useful for lower gentry who couldn't afford/weren't supposed to have the 100% silk satin. And its actually a darn sight stronger and easier to work with then 100%Silk!

Downside - its really difficult to find and when one can its expensive! (Bess hoards her silk/wool and 100% wool satin jealously!)

The pashmina is probably too fine for outlayers but would be perfect for linings. Where did you get yours from???

Are you doing Kentwell this year?

All the best

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Postby sally » Fri Feb 06, 2009 5:45 pm

There are a couple of ebay sellers to do seconds of these, and as long as you choose carefully and get the right fibre mix and avoid the nasty synthetic ones, they are about £3 a scarf, which looks ample for lining a bodice and sleeves with. I've seen them in plain white, black etc as well as the brighter colours



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Postby Hobbitstomper » Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:12 pm

I've got some raw silk fabric that I want to dye in reasonably big pieces of up to 6m of fabric. Please can someone tell me a good way of doing it to get consistent results without spending a lot of cash.



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Postby Tuppence » Fri Feb 13, 2009 2:55 pm

But you and G23b are now talking about completely different periods.

You tudor, him medieval.

Bit of a difference.


Might be better to start a different thread to avoid confusion.


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Postby Hobbitstomper » Fri Feb 13, 2009 5:02 pm

Tudors?

They make crisps and upset the Spanish don't they?

Not me.



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Postby gregory23b » Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:52 pm

Mrs Walton is right, I had not specified, but medieval in the first instance and Tudor secondly, but not for sewing, painting on.

Sophia/Debs, do you know if samplers are available?


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