
It's sort of light blue/(green), quite close to white.
I also thought about making the neck line and the gussets from dark blue color (not indigo) but rather close to black... is that a bad historical idea too?
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The red looks ok to me on the monitor at least, what you want is a 'bricky' tone to it not a 'fire engine' sort of red. the navy, is certainly possible, but very very high status. Basically, woad makes a lovely 'denim' blue shade that you make darker by repeat dyeings, so to have a dark navy you need to be able to afford to put the amount of dye that would have turned, say 10 lengths of fabric mid blue, all into one length of dark blue, and get it even at the same time, which was a really major skill. So its fine if you are portraying a high status personDuvan wrote:Thanks again.
I found the red cloth in a better picture. Here it is.
Also behind is to the right is some very dark blue.
hmm, I've done some lichen dyeing but not huge amounts for conservation reasons. However, I've always had pale browns and rusty browns from a hot vat, and in fermentation vats, blues, violets and pinks. I've never personally seen mint green from lichens- but I'll try to check a book I have on lichen dying later and will see if it is referenced as a likely shadeColin MacDonald wrote:I'm exposing my ignorance here, but is pale green achievable from lichen?
gussets in a differant colour ? Whats the evidence for thsi ?Duvan wrote:Like is it historically accurate for somebody, not for a nobleman only, to have a woolen tunic made of a color like the one in the picture below in the Middle Ages (preferably pre 14th century).
It's sort of light blue/(green), quite close to white.
I also thought about making the neck line and the gussets from dark blue color (not indigo) but rather close to black... is that a bad historical idea too?
Ok neck and cuffs etc no problem looks ggodDuvan wrote:I don't know if it's historically correct Nigel... just seen it on people's clothes
Anyway, is having different colored neck lines a bad idea too?
Like this:
http://home.swipnet.se/cybtex/sy/kjortel3.jpg
Thinking about making my neck either the dark blue or the dark red... but both are noble colors you say... hmm but maybe a soldier could afford just the neck line to be a noble color?
Damn... There goes my Braveheart kitguthrie wrote:Colin, I'm sure we've told you before, just because it is in a film, best selling books, and you can buy it in shops doesn't mean its historically accurate!
Fine, just as long as I can still use "I saw a reenactor wearing something vaguely similar under his string mail in 1992" as provenance.guthrie wrote:Colin, I'm sure we've told you before, just because it is in a film, best selling books, and you can buy it in shops doesn't mean its historically accurate!
How does one make green then? (someone was telling me about urine and something making green wool, but I can't say I was very interested at the time and regret it now)Tuppence wrote:Agreed - if obtained solely from woad, there'd be little chance of it ever getting the greeny tinge.
two principle ways, either overdye yellow with blue (or vice versa) this is how you get those Kendal or Lincoln greens, and if you use a common yellow such as weld or greenweed it neednt add significantly to cost beyond allowing for a two dyebath process, or you can alter a yellow dye using and iron or copper mordant. Iron tends to tip yellows towards the khaki, copper in my experience tends to give a slightly brighter green. I have also had a surprisingly vivid true grass green by mordanting weld (or whatever it was if it wasnt actually mordanting it!) with pig sh**- which is a saga in itself, but it did undeniably give a clear green. not suggesting pig sh** was a common additive to dyes though.Ariarnia wrote:How does one make green then? (someone was telling me about urine and something making green wool, but I can't say I was very interested at the time and regret it now)Tuppence wrote:Agreed - if obtained solely from woad, there'd be little chance of it ever getting the greeny tinge.
What aprox rank/shade would that make light/mid green?
On the whole the lighter the shade the cheaper it is with the possible exception of Weld which is dirt cheap. This is doubley true if you are dyeing vegetable fibres (i.e. flax, hemp, cotton) as they are best described as dye hungry.Ariarnia wrote:How does one make green then? (someone was telling me about urine and something making green wool, but I can't say I was very interested at the time and regret it now)Tuppence wrote:Agreed - if obtained solely from woad, there'd be little chance of it ever getting the greeny tinge.
What aprox rank/shade would that make light/mid green?
This sort of basic information regarding colours/ranks should already be supplied to you by your group leader and his authenticity team if you belong to a society that's been around for a while. If I remember correctly Guy said he'd been in Regia, they have a full list of colours and the ranks that they are most suitable for which has been circulated for years, if he doesn't already have the info I'd ask if he still has any contacts with them for a copy - it'll save you a lot of time.Ariarnia
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Tuppence wrote:
Agreed - if obtained solely from woad, there'd be little chance of it ever getting the greeny tinge.
How does one make green then? (someone was telling me about urine and something making green wool, but I can't say I was very interested at the time and regret it now)
What aprox rank/shade would that make light/mid green?