Resources for 11C Norman kit

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Resources for 11C Norman kit

Postby kael » Sun Jan 02, 2011 8:37 pm

Can anyone suggest some literature for relatively high status Norman kit mid-late 11th century?

I'm using Gale Owen-Crockers book on Anglo-Saxon dress as a general reference but if anyone can point me to any decent/reliable online sources, or books with some juicy plates to look at as well as sound research, i'd very much appreciate it. I'm generally struggling to find anything :/



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Postby Neil of Ormsheim » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:12 am

Have you tried the "Ospreys" on the Normans, I know they need to be taken with a pinch of salt but they are a good place to start.


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Postby kael » Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:49 pm

Good point! If nothing else there should be a list of references. Quite difficult to find anything specifically Norman, most things are lumped in with Viking/Anglo-Saxon works, and it's hard to differentiate.



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Postby Neil of Ormsheim » Wed Jan 05, 2011 9:06 am

Could this be because the Normans are just third/forth generation Viking pirates who went native?


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Postby Nigel » Wed Jan 05, 2011 10:33 am

WELL i WOULD SUGGEST the tapestry as a starter

and avoiding Osprey

also a few of the continental groups' sites are good for high stuff


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Postby kael » Wed Jan 05, 2011 6:10 pm

Neil of Ormsheim wrote:Could this be because the Normans are just third/forth generation Viking pirates who went native?


Of course Neil, but there are differences, I'm particulary interested in the more subtle things; what does seperate a Norman landowner from a scandenavian, or english landowner (besides milage)? That's the sort of thing i'm also after - something about the character of these different people.

I've found one or two interesting sources on the early normans, and their exploits with the lombards. Good stuff so far - i might make agood Norman one day :P

Nigel wrote:WELL i WOULD SUGGEST the tapestry as a starter

and avoiding Osprey

also a few of the continental groups' sites are good for high stuff


Heh, first thing I bought was the 'complete' 'tapestry' compiled in a handy little book. Crocker comes in handy when analysing the 'tapestry' in fact, but would love to see more archaelology in terms of fabrics - and daily life. Got a buch of images from the various psalm books from around europe - some very dubious, unusual illustrations on those though! Plenty to do yet!



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Postby Neil of Ormsheim » Wed Jan 05, 2011 11:21 pm

Nigel wrote:WELL i WOULD SUGGEST the tapestry as a starter


Including the purple and blue horses? :lol:


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Postby Nigel » Thu Jan 06, 2011 3:30 pm

no for style


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Postby Captain Reech » Fri Feb 11, 2011 11:27 am

"what does seperate a Norman landowner from a scandenavian, or english landowner (besides milage)? That's the sort of thing i'm also after - something about the character of these different people. "

A dodgy haircut and serfdom? :devil:


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Postby Brother Ranulf » Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:36 pm

Those dodgy Norman hairstyles are fascinating and short-lived; they appear all through the tapestry and the Norman army was allegedly reported as made up "entirely of monks" by hairy Saxon scouts; but by the time of William Rufus the young men at court wore their hair long, outraging monastic observers who said they all wore their hair like women. Anselm had a condemnation of the new fashion at the Council of Westminster in 1102, insisting that long-haired Normans should be banned from entering churches.


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Re: Resources for 11C Norman kit

Postby Captain Reech » Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:00 pm

That Anselm, he was never one of the 'Cool' crowd.....


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