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Phalera Discs on Roman Standards

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:19 am
by m. demetrius
Does anyone have information on these discs, not necessarily reconstructions, but the originals?
From what metal were they made?
How were they attached to the pole?
What were the dimensions?
Disc diameter?
Depth of the circumferential ring?

Are there any photos of surviving artifacts?

Re: Phalera Discs on Roman Standards

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 7:06 pm
by Optio
Made from metal, here's a piccy from the ESG website showing size etc, drop them an email direct, they are very helpful.
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Re: Phalera Discs on Roman Standards

Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 2:59 pm
by Nerva
m. demetrius wrote:Does anyone have information on these discs, not necessarily reconstructions, but the originals?
From what metal were they made?
How were they attached to the pole?
What were the dimensions?
Disc diameter?
Depth of the circumferential ring?

Are there any photos of surviving artifacts?


In short NO. No surviving signum artifact has yet been found or at least none yet identified. The image you show is of a Praetorian and 2 Manipular Signum's of which there are many reproductions but all dimensions and materials of construction are purely speculative.

Valete,

Nerva.

Re: Phalera Discs on Roman Standards

Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:28 pm
by Armamentaria
There are a few pieces of standards known. There's this section of what is thought to be a cohort designation of a signum of some sort. It has a fitting which could be used to attach a strap/pendant as seen on sculptural renderings. Using the measurements you can extrapolate the approximate width of the full piece at about 50cm. from this you can work out (relative to the sculptural depictions) the diameter of the phalerae - which is about 8" (20cm).

Image

In the Museo della Civiltà Romana (EUR) at Rome there are a few finds also thought to have been part of standards. I have photos on my home PC that I'll upload for you. From memory there's a bronze laurel wreath, torque and a corona muralis among the finds.