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Post by she2dd5 »

Hi, please excuse my ignorance, but how different from a lute, especially one of the tudor/elizabethan period, is the modern 6 string egyptian oud ?
I know very little about that family of instruments and someone was saying that there are virtually the same. Would an oud pass muster in re-enactment circles or not ?
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Post by Eric the well read »

Beside the head on the oud being 'S" shaped and the finger board being a
lot narrower, the soundboard is more decorative and the different number of strings or 'courses' -not a lot.
But an oud looks far more like a medieval lute than a tudor one. Plus an oud would normally be played with a plectrum.

Now the price difference can be tremendous say £200+ for an oud as opposed to 600+ for a lute, but Lutes can be bought for as little as £400+
Now, taking into account that ouds are made in hot countries, Syria, Eygpt
etc., there is a chance of warping in british weather. So be careful!
On the other hand you'll be tuning either lute or oud every five minutes anyway :D
And both are very quiet!
Take my advice , Get a cittern!
Eric :D

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Post by Eric the well read »

Oooh forgot,
Frets. Ouds don't have any. Lute frets are gut and wrapped around the neck.
Strings. you said 'a six string oud' Most ouds are 11 strung with a gap for a 12th (don't ask, it's about religion).

BTW the last oud I had, had strings that glowed in the dark -rather worrying! :shock:


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Post by busy mole »

Agree with Eric, we've suppplied a lute for about £400 and it seemed a lovely instrument. A cittern is a great instrument, can be metal strung, and perhaps simpler.
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Post by Sir Aelfric »

Hi She2add

Concerning your query about the oud, I need not add anymore than the others have, except that I have both a lute and an oud. The latter I have reduced to 5 courses (like a medieval lute), freted with gut strings, and tuned to G D G A D.

Others mentioned getting a cittern, which is fine, but represent later periods; like from 1500 onwards. One instrument that is a delight to play, has easy open tunings with only 4 or 5 strings, lots of volume and tone, and was played from the 1100s to the 1500s: the Citole. In google, type Citole Project, and you'll get some lovely pics of them and full information.

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Post by Eric the well read »

Hi Sir Aelfric
she2dd5 wrote: especially one of the tudor/elizabethan period,
We were talking tudor.
The evidence for the citole is dodgy to say the least. The one in QE1's possession had been changed to play like a violin in the 16thC.Otherwise, we cannot know what one looked like and/or the various names for stringed instruments of the period, as unfortunately, artists seldom labeled paintings.
The first commercial cittern that came on the market in our era, was made by Bernard Ellis(R.I.P) in the 70's, I think. The evidence for this instrument is a little , how shall I put this, 'absent' I think is a good word.

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