Page 1 of 1

This may be a little off topic as it deals with dancing

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 1:26 pm
by Henri De Ceredigion
But I am looking for a dance, from 1600 - 1650 ideally (later if needed) that can be done to a 3/4 time signature and a tempo of around 144 or so.

Re: This may be a little off topic as it deals with dancing

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 7:37 pm
by SteveC
You may be out of luck. The first three-time dances I can find instantly are minuets and they're a little late.
What's the tune? It might be possible to use it as a 6/8 jig.
Unfortunately our historical dance music expert isn't going to be at practice tonight (it's not a historical dance group, he just knows many things)

Re: This may be a little off topic as it deals with dancing

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:03 pm
by Henri De Ceredigion
SteveC wrote:You may be out of luck. The first three-time dances I can find instantly are minuets and they're a little late. What's the tune? It might be possible to use it as a 6/8 jig. Unfortunately our historical dance music expert isn't going to be at practice tonight (it's not a historical dance group, he just knows many things)


There's no tune, I am just looking for a 17th century dance that can be danced to a 3/4 time signature. I will have a look at 6/8 jigs and see if they are suitable, but I was looking for something very nice and sedate

Re: This may be a little off topic as it deals with dancing

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 11:52 pm
by SteveC
I've emailed a friend about this and she suggested 'Jenny Pluck Pears' from Playford as being the only 3/4 tune (and it's only the second part) she knew.
It's a nice dance and might be worth a look.

http://round.soc.srcf.net/dances/cdb/cdb2/jpp

Re: This may be a little off topic as it deals with dancing

Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:38 am
by Henri De Ceredigion
SteveC wrote:I've emailed a friend about this and she suggested 'Jenny Pluck Pears' from Playford as being the only 3/4 tune (and it's only the second part) she knew.
It's a nice dance and might be worth a look.

http://round.soc.srcf.net/dances/cdb/cdb2/jpp


That looks perfect, thank you very much indeed


Re: This may be a little off topic as it deals with dancing

Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 3:28 am
by Jack Campin
A galliard is usually thought of as 6/8, but wouldn't that do?

Re: This may be a little off topic as it deals with dancing

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:40 pm
by Merrie Noyse
Hi Jenny Pluck Pairs is mainly in compound time. Try the tune Daphnie, also part of the first Playford collection. Cheers Baz

Re: This may be a little off topic as it deals with dancing

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:55 am
by de Coverley
John Playford's English Dancing Master, which started in 1651 (tho some say 1650) and ran as a series until about 1720, is available in facsimile and modern type face many times on the www, complete with music.
http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/playford_1651/
Mr Playford was a compiler, editor and publisher, his books were sold to the travelling dancing masters of the day. Some of the dances are "event specials" for maybe a wedding or ball and others were just generally popular. Some have survived in practise many have not. Cecil Sharp in the early 20thc edited these works into more danceable dances, maybe with a different tune from the repertoire.

Between the Monarchs, there was a puritan period from when dancing instruction manuals certainly haven't survived -likely were not published or printed.

Sir Roger de Coverley can (should?) be danced to slip jigs in 9/8 so may fit your wish for a dance in triple time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTjgA5GFPCI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjwrSy_YI2Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iye3JoD5LUo -this fits triple time

Re: This may be a little off topic as it deals with dancing

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:18 am
by Jack Campin
Between the Monarchs, there was a puritan period from when dancing instruction manuals certainly haven't survived -likely were not published or printed.


Nonsense. The first three editions of Playford were all published under the Commonwealth. So was the first edition of Playford's "An Introduction to the Skill of Musick".

There wasn't a major dance music publishing scene under Charles I to interrupt. It only got started under Cromwell.

Re: This may be a little off topic as it deals with dancing

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 10:39 am
by mem001
I've always been amazed by Playford's bravery at publishing the Dancing Master under the Commonwealth. I wonder whether he was trying to preserve dances before they were potentially lost. It must have been a very bleak time for dancers and musicians.

Re: This may be a little off topic as it deals with dancing

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:29 pm
by SteveC
Playford does apologise for publishing
Yet all this should not have been an Incitement to me for Publication of this Worke (knowing these Times and the Nature of it do not agree,)But that there was a false and surrepticious Copy at the Printing Presse, which if it had been published, would have been a disparagement to the quality and the Professors thereof, and a hinderance to the Learner

but things weren't as bleak as people sometimes think. There may not have been much public dancing, but there seems to have been a fair amount in private. Cromwell himself enjoyed dancing and there was a ball for his daughter's wedding (or so I've been told--don't have the time to check).
Many of the dances in the first edition of the (English) Dancing Master are for quite small numbers, suitable for the houses of comparatively modest sorts. I suspect that was his main market. People who had enjoyed going out for a dance but were now restricted to private occasions and therefore needed access to the music and at least a reminder of how the dances went.