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Postby Megane Peaks » Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:53 pm

At a show recently I was asked the following question -

"Whats the difference between a violin and a fiddle?"

Any ideas.


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Postby Merlon. » Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:14 pm

OED defines them as follows
Violin
a. A musical instrument in common use, having four strings tuned in fifths and played with a bow; a fiddle.
In general structure the violin is composed of a resonant box of elaborately curved outline, and a neck or handle from the end of which the strings are stretched over a bridge to a tail-piece.
Fiddle
A stringed instrument of music; usually, the violin, but also (with defining word as in bass fiddle) applied to other instruments of the viol kind. Now only in familiar or contemptuous use.

looks like they are interchangeable



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Postby bournio » Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:20 pm

I use them interchangably(thats not spelt right!) except some classical people will shout at you if you call their instrument a fiddle! The few folk fiddlers(Ooo err) i've talked to don't particularly mind what people call the instrument!


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Postby Megane Peaks » Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:43 pm

Thank you

Just as I thought.

As a classically trained violinist (only to grade 2 Associated Board of RSM)

I prefer to call mine a Violin. However, if I am playing dance tunes gigues/jigs I would call it a fiddle.


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Postby Steve of RaT » Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:58 am

My understanding is that it's the same instrument, but what makes the difference is how it's played, a violin is under the chin and with more defined standards, where as a fiddle isn't and more free style.


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Postby Tamsin Lewis » Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:22 am

Linguistically, they are the same - both coming from the medieval Latin vidula/fidula. (Vidula being gradually changed to vielle, viol, violin)

I use the terms fairly interchangeably, though I play classical and folk.

Violins are not necessarily held under the chin until about 1700. I certainly hold my Renaissance violin against my body rather than under the chin, and do the same for my vielle, rebec and medieval fiddle...
Probably not a helpful answer. :)



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Postby Scottish Lady » Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:24 am

I'd agree with Steve, it's the style in which it's played that makes the difference.


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Postby James Bretlington » Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:25 pm

Well, in the US, the violin player tends to have all of their own teeth... :lol:



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Postby Marcus Woodhouse » Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:59 pm

:lol: (The peeple round here ain't the peeple from round here mister). Still those extra fingers just help them to play real fast.


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Postby James Bretlington » Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:14 pm

More seriously, isn't there a slight difference in the curve of the bridge?



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Postby Steve of RaT » Thu Jun 05, 2008 7:48 am

According to http://www.folkofthewood.com/page4779.htm the bridge can be shaved to assist double stopping.


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Postby lil bob » Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:06 pm

I am currently learning the fiddle so I can play at events but am stuck as to where to get 17th century music can anyone help please?


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Postby Karen Larsdatter » Mon Jan 26, 2009 4:22 am

lil bob wrote:I am currently learning the fiddle so I can play at events but am stuck as to where to get 17th century music can anyone help please?

Maybe some of these?
http://www.bodley.ox.ac.uk/ballads/
http://emc.english.ucsb.edu/ballad_project/
http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/ballads/music.html



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Postby lil bob » Mon Jan 26, 2009 11:58 am

many thanks :D


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Postby busy mole » Wed Mar 11, 2009 11:51 pm

Hello, we have a 17th century tune book, and the complete playford arranged for violin/fiddle!


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Postby RovingCrows » Sun Jul 12, 2009 2:37 am

Fidil is the irish/gaelic word for violin and hence used in most connotations for Folk music

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Postby Eric the well read » Sun Jul 12, 2009 10:26 am

Hi,
I always watch the player.
If they start on an upstroke they are classically trained and would probably call it a violin.
If on a downstroke, folk trained, and would probably call it a fiddle!
This works most times.

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Re: violin/fiddle

Postby Toimhseachan » Fri Dec 31, 2010 8:19 pm

When I was learning to play the Violin (some 20 odd years ago now) my teacher at the time said the difference was that a full sized Fiddle was about 2/3rds of the size of a full size Violin, so really the same instrument.

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Postby ladydetemps » Thu Jul 21, 2011 12:38 pm

Eric the well read wrote:Hi,
I always watch the player.
If they start on an upstroke they are classically trained and would probably call it a violin.
If on a downstroke, folk trained, and would probably call it a fiddle!
This works most times.

Regards
Eric

I'd confuse you then...I tend to vary between the two...depending on how much I'm concentrating and on what. Although I prefer starting with downbow.
I've only been playing a year so most people flee the room when I play.




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