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For those that like lucets but are aware that there are precious few items identified as such in archaeological collections, this is a very interesting discussion of some largely 10th and 11th century artifacts several of which do appear to be lucets. A few of these I had seen before but most of these pics are new to me
http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/ ... sc&start=0

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Thanks for that Sal, very interesting!

That tiny one looks too samll to be any use, unless it was a small child using it,
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I think its very likely that many are not lucets, but it certainly looks persuasve that a number are, that timy one is very wee though isnt it!

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I was going to suggest it could have been set on a stick, but it looks like one of the half-round ones
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Easy enough to make a replica to play with, good 'what could you use this for' object if nothing else :D

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Gruff's the man, then! :)
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Post by ViscontesseD'Asbeau »

Not sure I understood him right but did he say one had a runic inscription on, saying what it was? Seems a bit odd to me, as most of the viking runic inscriptions are either graffiti, monumental or someone's name or some sort of protection sigil carved on something, if I rem right? If you made a 'braiding bone', why would you carve 'braiding bone'on it?Sounds a bit dodgy, eh? Very interesting to look at though. Could be summat for carving parallel grooves in leather or whathaveyou?

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Personally I'm still not convinced, as there are too many other things they could be.

And because there are no references to braid being made in this way (afaik) - even if the name itself is later, surely there'd be something?? That said it could have been lost and rediscovered.

But I'll remain a sceptic on the use of lucets pre late 16th / early 17th century.
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You can make the braid on your fingers, and it's hard to believe that people fiddling around with a bit of string haven't come up with it at verious periosd of history. A simple chain is so easy to make that way, and a basic lucet cord is related to that.
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Tuppence wrote:Personally I'm still not convinced, as there are too many other things they could be.
I completley accept that the jury is very much still out, but there are one or two in that collection that look very plausible indeed for the purpose. I think one of the big problems with the actual cords is that where early braids of any sort do survive, its almost always in a situation where any possible analysis stops short of unpicking it for obvious reasons, and often its just not going to be possible to prove categorically how a cord was made. Plus braids are a very specialised area, so its also possible that there are examples on extant items that are just not being recognised for anything, let alone being investigated as to whether they are lucet or whatever.

Whatever they are, its a lovely boxful of small interesting bone things that I'd love to have a closer look at under the microscope, it would be really interesting to see if there are any polish aor wear marks that might indicate various uses.

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with regards to the runic inscription identifying the object, the Vikings were quite big on self-evident inscriptions. There is one very famous comb in Denmark that has written on it "I am a comb"...either a viking joke or an example of using the power of words to enforce the object's permanence...so naming a lucet on the object is not outside the realm of possibility.

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So does nobody know how the earlier cords were made at all?

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There is something that looks like a lucet from the 1986 Beverley digs in dyer lane, circa 13th - 14th century (poss slightly earlier), the dig book classifies it as a lucet. But not viking or anywhere that far back.

I am sure I have posted up the ref before, not got the book at present so can't resupply.
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There is something that looks like a lucet from the 1986 Beverley digs in dyer lane, circa 13th - 14th century (poss slightly earlier), the dig book classifies it as a lucet. But not viking or anywhere that far back.

I am sure I have posted up the ref before, not got the book at present so can't resupply.
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Maerwynn wrote:So does nobody know how the earlier cords were made at all?
There's whipcords; see http://moas.atlantia.sca.org/wsnlinks/i ... &catid=939 for some related links.

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Thank you, Karen. That looks like something that could be done as an interactive display at a show - extra usefulness!

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