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How do you pad your helmet?

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That'll be the metal one on your head. :roll:

Do you stick in foam strips?
Make an adjustable lining.
Nail in a small woodland creature?
Or What?

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This solution is not suitable for all periods, but speak nicely to your pet armourer and get a leather spider put in.

Then make a padded arming cap to wear inside which is suitable to period and tailored to the difference beween the adjusted helmet spider and your head .

In the event of an overhead blow, the small gap between the crown of the helmet and the tightened spider acts like protective inverted suspension. You still get a clonk on your head, more of which is mitigated by your padded cap, but your eyes will water much less than relying on the arming cap alone.

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What period?

I generally tend toward the "period materials" approach - i.e. no modern foam.

1066-thru to at least late 13th century, you don't - you pad your head, arming cap of approriate thickness, with or without a "donut" (for want of a better term!) around the brow line for earlier great helms to provide addtional support (e.g. maciejowski helm, 1250).

Not sure what happens later than this (not my period), but I am aware that there is some small evidence for holes in great helms that may (or may not!) have been used to lace in some form of padding, possibly quilting stuffed with wool, horse (or even human) hair.

Plus the leather spider as above.


I would tend to avoid anything synthetic - retains too much heat.
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So is a leather spider riveted to the inside of the helmet (sallet)?

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I have got a Roman coolus type helmet with a leather spider glued in, a Gjermundbu helmet with a linnen pad stupffed with wool in the crown and a 'sausage' shaped strip, also stuffed with wool' which sits around my head at brow level and my pikemans pot has 6 rectangular pads glued in so it sits at the right level (based roughly on a 17th C helmet of a differnt shape in the Musee de l'armee which is the only one I have ever seen with a lining surviving).

I also have a memory of reading a reference to a 'bascinet stuffer' so presumably bascinets had some sort of padding that was stuffed, possibly with pine needles (another reference I can't remember from where).

Like the idea of a small woodland animal though - would kittens work just as well??
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Yes, the spider is either rivetted or glued to the helmet, or in some cases it can be laced in place if the helmet has holes for this around the lower rim.

On the modern materials bit, I've found from experience that my helmets with period padding and fittings give better protection than others who have used foam and rubber, as the period materials breath and also don't break down over time, whereas I've seen foam lose its elasticity and crumble.

For additional padding, use sheepskin or a quilted cap, made with two linen layers with wool between.

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Post by Alice the Huswyf »

I think ours are rivetted in, but then my two break everything.

I would stuff my own helmet with the crest feathers of the phoenix; softer than persian kittens with static, softer even than marshmallows tumble-dried with Bounce sheets.

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Earlier helmet with spider rivetted to the helemt. I then pad my head-
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Leather liner rivetted onto which I stitched a padded canvas liner for a later helmet-
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Quite a lot of the knitted woollen caps I make go to people who use them as part of a helmet lining. Easily washed if mucky and useful round camp on cooler days too.

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Sally I'll be in touch.
A glued in spider seems like the best idea.
Failling that an otter or maybe a stoat.

I can see how the domestic kitten thing would work but don't tell Panda, he's got athing about kittens.

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Tod wrote:Sally I'll be in touch.
A glued in spider seems like the best idea.
Failling that an otter or maybe a stoat.

I can see how the domestic kitten thing would work but don't tell Panda, he's got athing about kittens.
Leave my kittens alone!!!!!

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Who told him? :roll:

I saw you at Rockingham. But I was wearing my kitten skin cloak so avoided you as i don't like to see a grown man cry :wink:

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Tod wrote:Who told him? :roll:

I saw you at Rockingham. But I was wearing my kitten skin cloak so avoided you as i don't like to see a grown man cry :wink:
I would not cry. I would go into a firey rage, strike you down and burn you to avenge the kittens!!!!!!! :twisted:
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Would that be as firey as the curry made from said kittens?

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Thats it next time I see you there will be a reckoning!!!!!
And to get this back on topic, I'll use your scalp as a spider for my helmet!!! :twisted: :twisted: :P
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There's been a discussion in the 1100-1500 forum about sallet linings. The conclusion appeared to be not a leather spider, but a padded fabric spider sewn to a leather band (which was in turn rivitedto the helmet). I think that this was based on a surviving example.

The leather spider is most common and does seem to work quite well.
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Leave my kittens alone!!!!!

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Well, when we run out of kittens we can use panda hide - it appears to be fairly wooly!!! :lol:
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GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!! |Looks like I'll have to start seeping with a big knife undre my pillow again... Will they ever learn?! :roll:
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"Every time you onanise God kills a kitten. Please, think of the little kittens."


Just tested the theory and can now state that putting a persian kitten in the tumble drier without the bounce sheet actually makes it far fluffier than the marshmallow.

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"Every time you onanise God kills a kitten. Please, think of the little kittens."
Is that a seriously pervy suggestion :shock: ........or is it just me? :lol:
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We are taking it as an exhortation to decent behaviour.

How many tainy-wee cats are left in your neighbourhood? :twisted:

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All I can say is... CUBA!!!!
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Never been there! Panda, you never explained Cork to me. It might explain a lot about my sainted father. It would probably held the Husbynd cope with what he lumbered himself with. He's dilute Lancashire Irish, so may need any help he can get.

Anyway - Tod started it with the prominent and prompt classification at the top of the thread.

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Don't start blaming me for your kitten problems. It's all Panda's fault all I do is skin 'em, cook 'em and wear 'em (and for all the children out there, don't worry they're stunt kittens).

I just asked a normal question, normal in a sort of weird and strange Tod way.

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I just thought......................cat in a hat, kitten in a mitten.
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We growed our kittens and use 'em to skin rabbits.

Anyone for very small patches of rabbit skin, only slightly chewed?

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Post by Sledge »

Hey Tod - does this mean that you don't eat/bathe/sleep in lard anymore then?

Helmet liners - Pete uses an old sabotaged montero, and I glued my old knitted bonnet into one helmet - I have a spider and helmet lining in the other one. However in my old and ancient helmet - I used to use a folded up T shirt to line it! 8)
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I sold it all to Dale. He had the need.

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Bizarrier and bizarrier. Still, this is what happens when gin is imported cheaply: the breakdown of social morals and penny tours of bedlam.

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Gin, that's for the poor and those of weak morals.
Ports the stuff, a good manly drink but no good what so ever for padding your helmet.
Lard on the other hand could work in right climate.

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