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Postby Random Mumblings » Sat May 12, 2007 7:10 pm

http://www.historic-shoes.co.uk/

Has anyone bought from these people? Have our entire family (5 of us) to kit out and they are cheap. I don't mind if they only last this season, we are new to re-enactment and don't want to spend more than necessary in the first instance IYKWIM?

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Postby Alice the Huswyf » Sat May 12, 2007 7:47 pm

Their later shoes look good but I wouldn't wear their medieval ones, myself.

If you can sew, Dave Rushworth does a booklet on making turnshoes - we made the children's shoes for the first couple of seasons from this leaflet on a sewing machine, using soft hand bag type leather , with a sheepskin inner sole for warmth and well dubbinsed.

DO not wear socks with medieval footwear. Without them your feet may get damp but at least it won't wick up your ankles through yer socks! Another friend swears by sheepskin effect topped rubber insoles - there may even be a thermal version.

Personally, if I was buying as a medieval beginner again I would buy Ana Period Shoes. She does machine stitched starter shoes. Known makes will retain a resale value if you change your mind or outgrow the shoes. Perhaps adults bought shoes and children home made turnshoes.

Bowstock for leather or ask for names. Don't buy leather where you can see a grainy texture like pigskin effect or like office furnture. Leather should be smooth and not coated. Most of these names can be googled for using the Uk button.



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Postby Random Mumblings » Sat May 12, 2007 7:54 pm

Alice the Huswyf wrote:If you can sew, Dave Rushworth does a booklet on making turnshoes - we made the children's shoes for the first couple of seasons from this leaflet on a sewing machine, using soft hand bag type leather , with a sheepskin inner sole for warmth and well dubbinsed.

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I've had a google but the website I've found seems to be half done. There's no info in the "patterns" section. Do you have a link at all?



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Postby Simon_Diment » Sat May 12, 2007 8:09 pm

PM'd you.

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Postby Sophia » Sat May 12, 2007 8:21 pm

Will second Alys on Ana's machine-made turnshoes. My pair are now in their second season and going strong - as I have now got my posh shoes (also from Ana) I have relegated them to when I want to be a peasant or the weather is really foul.

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Postby Cat » Sat May 12, 2007 10:33 pm

I agree, the mejeevil ones on the OP link are terrible, although the later shoes are reasonable.

As far as the kids are concerned, soft leather turnshoes, each pair will take about 2 evenings to make. Use rubber backed sheepskin insoles inside. Rosie had a beautiful pair of these that lasted one season and are now being worn by somebody else. She is now growing into Aron's black mega pointy ones...he is now in that interesting stage of growth where I fit his clothes and shoes and he fits mine, hmmm...(I've been mostly wearing his sk8erboi 'Pirates of Destruction' hoodie this evening.)

For you and your chap, Get Dressed For Battle. Try their website. I really like their tulip-shaped pointy toed ladies' shoes.
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Postby ViscontesseD'Asbeau » Sun May 13, 2007 12:21 am

I have a lot of kids and the only way I could do it was make them myself. I couldn't make sense of Rushworth's leaflet so ended up going to the archaelogical finds books, and using this website:

http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-ca ... OEHOME.HTM

I took all the foot measurements he recommends, and drew my shoe patterns freehand, from pictures in books.

These 2 books I found invaluable. You could prob get on interlibrary loan but if not, although expensive they are still cheaper than the crappest medieval shoes you can buy from a trader and with them and carlson's site you can make anything:

Leather and Leatherworking in Anglo Scandinavian and Medieval York, Quita Mould, Ian Carlisle and Esther Cameron. (York Archaeological Trust, 2003)

Shoes and Pattens: medieval finds from excavations in London, Francis Grew & Margrethe de Neergaard, ( HMSO, 1988).

The ones I first made have been going 3 years and still going strong, no repairs needed yet, either. I've seen people buy shoes even at the 'better' end of the market and be repairing them by the end of one season.

It's cheaper to make them from scratch but also not a false economy.

Not long after I learned to make our shoes, someone in our group paid over £100 for some that weren't even turnshoes and were all wrong anyways (and machine sewn). I realised I'd enough leather to make shoes for 4 kids and 2 adults for a couple of years, for less than she'd paid for one (rubbish) pair. I do other crafts and cordwaining is not an interest - so it's not something you have to invest a lot of time in but you can realistically pick up enough to make a competent, simple pair. The Carlson site and the HMSO book together give you all you need to know.

Another thing is - get your group to buy a 'pool' of kiddies' shoes, and lend them out maybe for a nominal amount - then as they're outgrown, you put them back in the pool and get a new pair. You can also rent them, I think.



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Postby Phil the Grips » Sun May 13, 2007 12:36 am

Morgan Hubbard does a children's shoe rental scheme-
http://www.plantagenetshoes.freeserve.co.uk/


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Postby Tuppence » Sun May 13, 2007 1:33 am

[quote="Alice the Huswyf"]Their later shoes look good but I wouldn't wear their medieval ones, myself.
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Likewise.

Their C19th ones are good.

Their C17th ones look ok, but it looks from the pics like the leather is a bit thin.

And I wouldn't touch their medieval with a barge pole.

PTG beat me to the recommendation of Morgan's hire scheme.


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Postby Nigel » Sun May 13, 2007 9:18 am

sales.ana.users.btopenworld.com

If I recall youa re doing viking stuff annas machined at the botom of the page

the ones you mnetion I would simply burn if anybosy turned up with them in my group oh and they are wrong for vike as unfortunately are morgans I think


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Postby Random Mumblings » Sun May 13, 2007 9:21 am

Nigel wrote:sales.ana.users.btopenworld.com

If I recall youa re doing viking stuff annas machined at the botom of the page

the ones you mnetion I would simply burn if anybosy turned up with them in my group oh and they are wrong for vike as unfortunately are morgans I think


Thanks Nige. And everyone else who has replied, or PMed me. Have emailed Ana to see if she has any in stock and will try and find a leather supplier to make the kids some.



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Postby sally » Sun May 13, 2007 10:00 am

Random Mumblings wrote: will try and find a leather supplier to make the kids some.


Le Prevo leather, they do vegetan but also have a look in their sale section, often they will have smaller pieces in acceptable weights and shades that are great for kids shoes and small items like pouches etc, do take some advice on what not to buy leatherwise though.



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Postby Malvoisin » Sun May 13, 2007 10:44 am

Also try: GDFB Although it looks like the price has gone up by 50% since I bought mine last year. :?

other sellers of muddyevil clutter are available :!:


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Postby Tuppence » Sun May 13, 2007 2:07 pm

for leather also look up the identity store, in derbyshire - they're good - am pretty sure they have a website but it was on the old pc, so try a websearch


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Postby Neibelungen » Sun May 13, 2007 9:56 pm

Metropolitan leather in Northampton (phone only,no shopping website, but good quality vegtans)

Keith Lyons (must be used to the calls these days)

If your in London, Batchelors (9-10 Culford Mews off Ballspond Road) near hackney N1. They have a shop there you can pick your leather out, and cheerfully grumpy staff from dealing with 'designers'

Bowstock for tools, but might carry some leather.

Joseph Dixons if you want the best tools and can afford it.

Kingsmere craft (internet site) for online resources, guides and leather links.

Abbey Saddlery (pricey but good quality leather and tools)

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Postby Shadowcat » Sun May 13, 2007 10:47 pm

Have copied this list over to Links and Resources, with a credit to you. Hope you don't mind. Better for future reference than trying to remember the title of the original post.

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Postby Colin Middleton » Mon May 14, 2007 12:23 pm

The Identity Store aren't the cheapest, but they are a really nice couple and seemed very keen to help. They also have occasional leather sales where you can pick up cheaper pieces of 'seconds quality' leather.

You may also be luckly enough to have a leather place near you who can help. Have a look in the yellow pages.

You want vedgetable tanned leather in shades of brown (avoid anything with a glossy finish).

Or just go to Ana. :D

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Postby Random Mumblings » Mon May 14, 2007 1:46 pm

Colin Middleton wrote:The Identity Store aren't the cheapest, but they are a really nice couple and seemed very keen to help. They also have occasional leather sales where you can pick up cheaper pieces of 'seconds quality' leather.

You may also be luckly enough to have a leather place near you who can help. Have a look in the yellow pages.

You want vedgetable tanned leather in shades of brown (avoid anything with a glossy finish).

Or just go to Ana. :D

Good luck


LOL! I've emailed Ana but as yet haven't had a response. Hopefully she was just away for the weekend and will get back to me in the next day or two. Unfortunately she doesn't make shoes for little ones, so I'm going to have to do something myself as Historic shoes seem to be the only place to do Saxon turnshoes for children and if they are rubbish I've no other option. I'd prefer to buy ready made this season as I'm up to my eyes in kit making!!

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Postby Random Mumblings » Tue May 15, 2007 3:51 pm

sally wrote:
Random Mumblings wrote: will try and find a leather supplier to make the kids some.


Le Prevo leather, they do vegetan but also have a look in their sale section, often they will have smaller pieces in acceptable weights and shades that are great for kids shoes and small items like pouches etc, do take some advice on what not to buy leatherwise though.


Thanks. I ended up phoning around and the guy at Le Prevo was unbelievably helpful. He's sending me everything I need fo the shoes, plus a load if instructions and said I can ring for help if needed. Can thoroughly recommend the customer service there.



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Postby Tuppence » Tue May 15, 2007 11:10 pm

they are very nice at le prevo. & just as nice in person. plus the shop smells nice (leather!)


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Postby Neibelungen » Tue May 15, 2007 11:13 pm

plus the shop smells nice (leather!)


Actually it's the dressings on the leather that smells nice.

Leather itself doesn't smell, or does something close to wet dog.



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Postby Phil the Grips » Tue May 15, 2007 11:17 pm

Not saying I was an unusual youth but my idea of a good birthday pressie for several years was a trip to Newcastle to visit Le Prevo and then a trip to King's Fabrics!


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Postby Alice the Huswyf » Wed May 16, 2007 8:41 am

I used to hang around in ironmongers when a little girl. Grab pocket money, straight onto bike, down the Broadway and straight in to the ironmongers.

Perhaps it is just the fascination of specialist shops?



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Postby Tuppence » Wed May 16, 2007 2:44 pm

Not saying I was an unusual youth but my idea of a good birthday pressie for several years was a trip to Newcastle to visit Le Prevo and then a trip to King's Fabrics!


I miss king's fabrics..... :cry:


Neibelungen wrote:
plus the shop smells nice (leather!)


Actually it's the dressings on the leather that smells nice.

Leather itself doesn't smell, or does something close to wet dog.


so are you suggesting that the dressings exist without the presence of the leather, or are you just being pointlessly pedantic???


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Postby Neibelungen » Wed May 16, 2007 3:21 pm

so are you suggesting that the dressings exist without the presence of the leather, or are you just being pointlessly pedantic???


Do the dressing requires the leather, no, because you can get the dressing seperately, and leather dealers (not retailers) deal in crust state leather. But 90% of the smell of fresh leather is the dressings that go into them. That's why curriers and finishers are often seperate from leather tanners as they can alter the whole quality of a crust leather.

Most vegtans have little dressing on them, it's the chromes ,upholstery, shoe and fashion leathers that get the most dressing.

Undressed leather has sulphuric acid, limeing, bating (enzyme dog & hen poo ) wet wood, chrome or sulpher smell in traces. If you've ever baked wet vegtan it is definately a wet dog and fish smell.

After all you go into a leather tannery and it reeks, even in the finished leather side.

Wander over to a curriers and then you get that delicious aroma of leather. It's a mixture of oils, fats and waxes that gives leather a nice smell

But it was probably a bit pedantic, but reenactors are like that.



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Postby Tod » Wed May 16, 2007 4:50 pm

If you walk down Clayton Street in Chesterfield, the smell changes from bad meat to nice leather. Curriers tend to use a combination of animal fat and fish oil, which even to to meat eater doesn't smell that good.

Veg tan leather treated with natural fats really does give off a smell, which is not that pleasent, but is the closest I have of the leather that used to be used for a whole selection of products, and it goes a sort of green - which is nice.



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Postby gregory23b » Wed May 16, 2007 5:18 pm

Karl Robinson does his own tawed deerskin, it smells rather interesting, leathery, oily and a bit sharp from the alum I guess.


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Postby dragonskie2000 » Wed May 16, 2007 6:32 pm

I spoke to Ana yesterday and she did say she had off the peg (machine sewn) shoes available.



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Postby Random Mumblings » Wed May 16, 2007 6:36 pm

dragonskie2000 wrote:I spoke to Ana yesterday and she did say she had off the peg (machine sewn) shoes available.


Yes, thanks, I've been in contact and ordered the shoes for me and OH. They'll be about a week or so.



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Postby Alice the Huswyf » Wed May 16, 2007 6:51 pm

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