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Dyeing canvas

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:48 pm
by StaffordCleggy
I'm looking to dye the canvas i have for the outer layer of my new arming jack/doublet.
It's cream at the moment & i was wondering what type of dye would give me the best result?

I want to dye it for two reasons
1) It will look better (subjective)
2) it will look cleaner longer

Any ideas?

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:34 pm
by Nigel
machine dylon would probabaly do it

Limited colour range but low on skill required and it works

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:40 pm
by sally
Would second the machine dylon. Wash the fabric first once to soften it up a bit, then put in the dye and salt as per the packet instructions, stuff the damp fabric back in and you should get a good even colour.

What colour were you after, there are some tricks with dylon to get more historically appropriate shades in some instances

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:56 pm
by StaffordCleggy
Not sure of the colour yet, what do you recommend?

I already have too much black, red or blue may be nice or maybe some form of russet?

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 8:05 pm
by craig1459
StaffordCleggy wrote:Not sure of the colour yet, what do you recommend?

I already have too much black, red or blue may be nice or maybe some form of russet?
:shock:

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 8:08 pm
by StaffordCleggy
russet to help hide the rust stains that i have on the old model!

Just a thought..

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 8:11 pm
by craig1459
StaffordCleggy wrote:russet to help hide the rust stains that i have on the old model!
Just a thought..
I mean :shock: not a combination of sable et gules :wink:

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 8:13 pm
by StaffordCleggy
You 'can'* have too much of a good thing you know!



*Obviously NOT a view shared by a certain Mr Harley....

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 8:23 pm
by sally
If you are using red dylon, its not a bad idea to add a very small amount of olive green to it, it takes out the 'screaming' redness and softens it up a lot. I usually use about a small teaspoon of green to a packet or the red if I'm doing that, its too pillarbox red otherwise

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 8:38 pm
by gregory23b
Orangey red, russet colour, looks really good.

Dave Key had an arming doublet of that colour with tan leather strips, looked Ace.

Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 12:10 am
by Tuppence
and when you take the fabric out of the machine the first time (before dying), make sure you shake it out, and remove any big creases - the dye can collect in the folds with some shades if the folds are big enough

Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:18 pm
by StaffordCleggy
Weeellll....

Have dyed the canvas today, decided to go down the 'russet' route.
Canvas weighed around 1700grms, should use 1 pack per 500g so i bought 3 (plus salt).

Used Dylon's 'Burnt Orange' shade, the result is rather 'stronger' than i expected, but it might be a little paler when it's dried.

How authentic is orange? :lol:

Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:32 pm
by gregory23b
"How authentic is orange? Laughing"

Ask a dyer and they will ask, what kind of orange? deep rusty, bright, mid, etc etc.

I have a Sally P madder dyed monmouth cap, and I would say it was orange, not flouro but certainly orange rather than russet.

Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:38 pm
by StaffordCleggy
Well, hopefully you will see it (oh boy will you 'see' it!) at some event in the near future!

I reckon it will be OK, just came as a shock that's all. Mind you, it's still on the line drying out so it may well look a lot different once it's dry....

Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:56 pm
by James The Archer
Why does a enraged small orange spring to mind, how going to hide! :lol:

Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:40 pm
by gregory23b
Cleggster, Twekebury? last time your lot were slightly over the way from us. If you are again this year no doubt I will need shades.

FWIW. madder orange is my favourite colour, I am having a jacket that colour, I was stopped from having a complete orange ensemble by my group leader.

Quayn might go for pink, but orange is the new, er, er orange?

Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:00 pm
by StaffordCleggy
James The Archer wrote:Why does a enraged small orange spring to mind, how going to hide! :lol:
I'm gonna go all "Clockwork Orange" on yo' ass boy! :lol:


Gregory, good to see your Captain has SOME limits then! :lol:

Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:01 pm
by craig1459
StaffordCleggy wrote: I'm gonna go all "Clockwork Orange" on yo' ass boy! :lol:
A History of Ultraviolence 8)

Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:25 am
by Tuppence
over dyeing it with the paler grey dylon (but in a very small amount - not the whole packet, more like a few spponfuls) would tone down the orange, if it bothers you

Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:53 am
by m300572
Cleggy, you realize that you have just opened yourself up to the 'pretend MoP's' from the forum harassing you over the colour of your canvas -'Is that an authentic colour Mister? That looks as if its been dyed with Dylon Mister..... etc etc, until you chase them screaming from the camp waving a large weapon!! :shock:

Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:29 pm
by James The Archer
You would need a step ladder, and I can out run you :D and it's not like you could snick up on me!

Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:33 pm
by lidimy
Out of interest, what is the general rule for pretend MoPs from this forum? Is it just an accepted code that one isn't allowed to snitch on fellow re-enactors?

Lidi....

Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 7:03 pm
by craig1459
lidimy wrote:Out of interest, what is the general rule for pretend MoPs from this forum? Is it just an accepted code that one isn't allowed to snitch on fellow re-enactors?

Lidi....
Turn up. Ask stupid questions until they realise or you get bored :lol:

Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:15 pm
by gregory23b
Craig is right, no mercy. If reenactors can give it in kit then they should be able to receive the same.

Dumb questions are not just encouraged but are mandatory, you must try to get one listed on the forum, that is how to gain notoriety esp when you come clean.

Not nice to be a smart *rse though, that is something else, we will have all been to events where some things are less than perfect and where the commentator is basically talking from their poop shoot, but unless you can do cutting sarcasm and well timed awkward questions best leave well alone, moreover if you do, make sure you are in mufti.

But winding up yer mates is the way forward.

Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:20 pm
by lidimy
Well fair enough then. But I'm not out to embarrass people, don't get me wrong. I was just wondering :)

Lidi :)

Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:02 pm
by craig1459
lidimy wrote:Well fair enough then. But I'm not out to embarrass people, don't get me wrong. I was just wondering :)
Lidi :)
Is that a real baby?
Did they eat food in those days?
Are you William Wallace?

Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:12 pm
by gregory23b
"But I'm not out to embarrass people, don't get me wrong."

Well you need that sort of attitude readjusting, you are simply not getting it are you? snap out of it girl!

It is not so much about the victim having been wound up more the method, a bit like hunting, the kill is the end result of lots of hard work, as is a good jape.

Get with the programme.

Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:54 pm
by lidimy
:shock: You've lost me!
but unless you can do cutting sarcasm and well timed awkward questions best leave well alone
I don't want to do it wrong! And I don't want to look like a numpy infront of other MoPs :(

And I'm just confused now :?

I'll stick with the nice friendly MoP I think, 'oh so THAT'S how you do it'

:D

Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:00 pm
by StaffordCleggy
I spoil people's fun & say stuff like "No, i didn't dye this using madder root/onion skins. I could have done, & i would have got a more authentic colour, but seeing as i'll be sweating like Blair in front of the ICC when i'm wearing the damn thing & don't know how to fix the colour doing it that way, so i don't want to end up looking like Gavin Henson's better looking brother! So yes, i did use Dylon!"

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:10 am
by Tuppence
you can also ask silly questions that dumbfound people, and wander off to look at the daisies before they get a chance to answer.

then return and repeat.

then return and repeat.

example of this type of question 'what's your favourite utensil'.....