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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:37 pm
by Teagirl
MedicKitten wrote:its ok Lidi...at least they're fully clothed...and have SOMETHING on their heads! Look on the bright side!
The something resembles those horrible plastic 'tennis sunshades' you see on people with more money than fashion sense, only worn upside down and decorated for the holidays.

I hate it already, hated the book, hate the idea of the book and the film and will avoid it like the plague.

Argh! Double argh.

For real amusement, if you haven't yet, do try George MacDonald Fraser's 'The Hollywood History of the World' for some genuine laughs.

-Su

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:40 pm
by Teagirl
lidimy wrote:
I really do need to stop being so self righteous on the issue of authenticity lol :D
Why?

They need more people who want something that not only entertains but doesn't insult us.

-Su

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:47 pm
by MedicKitten
The something resembles those horrible plastic 'tennis sunshades' you see on people with more money than fashion sense
I KNEW I'd seen them somewhere! :twisted:

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:10 pm
by lidimy
Lol I remember seeing a 'how to' make a French hood (insult to the name) out of a tennis visor. The results were hilarious!

Teagirl - I will look out for it. I'm glad I've found an anti- P.Gregory enthusiast too :D

Lidi :)

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:46 pm
by Teagirl
lidimy wrote:Lol I remember seeing a 'how to' make a French hood (insult to the name) out of a tennis visor. The results were hilarious!

Teagirl - I will look out for it. I'm glad I've found an anti- P.Gregory enthusiast too :D
Not only anti-Gregory but very pro-Anne. One of the finest times I ever had was when I visited Hever.

I have a list of writers that I would not give shelf space to and that Gregory person is high up there.

-Su

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:55 pm
by lidimy
Woo hoo! I'm afraid it took me too long to realise she was a bad apple, it took Joanna Denny to put me on the right track :D I really want to get rid of my PGs (apt initials :? ) I have 5 of them and I really regret buying them.

Even the cover photos are inauthentic :D

Lidi :P:D

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:21 pm
by Teagirl
lidimy wrote: Even the cover photos are inauthentic :D

Lidi :P:D
LOL. Yeah, well, if I bought books based on the cover pics, I would never have read my first Dorothy Dunnett book when I was 16, as the series then in paperback had the worst cover 'paintings'.

The worst part was that I had 'Pawn in Frankincense' which is a pivotal book in the series but was the ONLY book in the series I could find for almost ten years. It was horrible waiting to find out what happened.

I love Dunnett, she's simply the best, I think. I'm a fan of the Lindsey Davis mysteries but never want to see them made into film as I worry that somehow, somewhere Helena Bonham Carter will slouch into the cast and I always want to whack her between the shoulder blades.

-Su

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:18 pm
by Tuppence
horrible plastic 'tennis sunshades'
now you see they were high fashion, and terribly chic :shock: in about 1980something

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:19 pm
by Teagirl
Tuppence wrote:
horrible plastic 'tennis sunshades'
now you see they were high fashion, and terribly chic :shock: in about 1980something
Only if you had really 'big hair', shoulder pads and were willing to play tennis with a guy who wears a pink Lacoste shirt and madras plaid shorts.

Now I have to go and wash out my mind's eye.

-Su

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:13 pm
by lidimy

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:24 pm
by Teagirl
lidimy wrote:http://www.fynehats.com/free%20stuff.htm

There you go :D

Lidi :D
I'll pay her $15 to NOT send me one!

-Su

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:32 pm
by MedicKitten
shockingly (or not so shockingly, as I live in America) i've seen MUCH worse at Renfaires. This would be a MAJOR step up for most people, as it would put SOMETHING covering their hair!

the depths we sink to...its sad.

Its also odd that everyone seems to think French Hoods were VERTICAL in relation to the head...

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:38 pm
by lidimy
:roll: I have to admit that mine isn't great, but it was my first attempt and it's certainly not going to any events (apart from eardly dance where the emphasis isn't on authenty clothing anyway)

I think there is a picture of it on the 'who the hell are you' thread. Comments welcome :)

I will be making another one soon though, hope hope hope! No more cardboard and sellotape either this time :oops:

Lids :)

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:40 pm
by MedicKitten
awww... you should look up some pictures of american renfaires. It'll make EVERYTHING YOU DO look so much better! I use them as confidence boosts. :twisted:
Bess and Edmund went to one last year, and, of course, looked AMAZING. I wonder what all the people who were HIRED for the faire thought of themselves by comparison? :D

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:50 pm
by lidimy
lol Bess looks amazing anyway :D And I bet she did blow their brains out..

unless there were a few who thought that her clothing was so different to theirs, it was obviously not 'authentic' by their standards? :lol:

I do enjoy looking at Ren fair piccies, they do amuse me :D

http://www.festiveattyre.com/feature/yr6/feature.html

that one being my favourite :P

Lidi :D

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:52 pm
by Teagirl
MedicKitten wrote:shockingly (or not so shockingly, as I live in America) i've seen MUCH worse at Renfaires. This would be a MAJOR step up for most people, as it would put SOMETHING covering their hair!

the depths we sink to...its sad.

Its also odd that everyone seems to think French Hoods were VERTICAL in relation to the head...
I can vouch for the fact that even here in the UK I've seen things just as bad which disappointed me as I thought it couldn't possibly sink as low but I think there's a level of badness that permeates the world when it comes to historic clothing.

Renfaires! Ack! Everyone has a leather belt and a tankard tied to it.

French hoods may have been vertical in relation to the head if it weren't attached to the shoulders? I wish they wouldn't insist that the 'veil' was attached to the upper ridge!

I did some research years ago about the evolution of the French hood from earlier headwear. Lord knows where it went but in digging for it I found my old 'History of Costume' which was written to entertain some friends, including the history of the 'Celtic bed dress'. And no, you don't want to know......

I promised myself I would not be drawn back into the dark world of costume. I swore it! I thought I meant it. Hah.

-Su

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:55 pm
by MedicKitten
yes, but that one has KENTWELLIES as well! :P

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:56 pm
by lidimy
I know I know, of course I'm not refering to them :(

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:04 pm
by MedicKitten
::laughs:: what I was getting at is that those are the BEST of the costumes you'd find at a Renfaire! That's as good as it gets, most of the time!

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:07 pm
by lidimy
Someone should organise a LH.co.uk field trip to a genuine American Ren Fair, entact with clip boards and pencils.

Could be a laugh!

Lidi :D

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:12 pm
by MedicKitten
hahahahahaha! I'd be more than happy to act as a cultural liason. :D

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:16 pm
by craig1459
Are Ren Fairs the same as SCA? :?

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:25 pm
by lidimy
I don't think you have to be a member of the SCA to attend a Ren fair, but there probably is quite a lot of over lapping. :)

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:25 pm
by Teagirl
craig1459 wrote:Are Ren Fairs the same as SCA? :?
Nope, they're commercial events that purport to present a 'Renaissance' fair, usually complete with jousting, wenches with low-cut bodices, Henry VIII eating turkey legs and throwing the remains over his shoulder.

The SCA is joust-free, the wenches are known to wear bunny-fur bikinis and mail bras. And then there's the other part of the SCA, where people care about their own corner of history and provide information on their research.

I've been to Renfairs and they're strictly entertainment. The SCA is pretty much what you make of it yourself. If you like bunny fur there's a place for you and if you hand-sew your clothing there's also a place for you.

-Su

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:27 pm
by MedicKitten
xactly, Teagirl! I'd probably be in the SCA, if only for some company over here, if my home wasnt in the middle of nowhere so much that the closest barony is over an hour away. Sad. Very sad.

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:27 pm
by Teagirl
lidimy wrote:Someone should organise a LH.co.uk field trip to a genuine American Ren Fair, entact with clip boards and pencils.

Could be a laugh!

Lidi :D
Bad idea! Clipboards are so 19th century!

You need scoreboards like they used to use for the Olympic events.

"5.5, 5.4, 5.5 and oh dear, a 3.0 from the judge from the 15th century!"

-Su

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:30 pm
by Teagirl
MedicKitten wrote:xactly, Teagirl! I'd probably be in the SCA, if only for some company over here, if my home wasnt in the middle of nowhere so much that the closest barony is over an hour away. Sad. Very sad.
You can call me Su, only the husband calls me 'Tea, girl'! Normally followed by the sound of a 'WHAP'.

I was in the SCA for many many years. It was great for social events, I got to dress up and be serious about how I dressed up.

The irony of course is having lived in the UK for over ten years, I have not been to anything other than Tatton Park and have never dressed up for it. Go figure.

-Su

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:31 pm
by Teagirl
lidimy wrote:I don't think you have to be a member of the SCA to attend a Ren fair, but there probably is quite a lot of over lapping. :)
And in some cases they don't quite get the edges to meet!

Ok, I'll stop now, I'm on a chocolate high and I may say something I regret.

-Su

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:31 pm
by MedicKitten
oh? were you in America before that? where?

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:32 pm
by Teagirl
MedicKitten wrote:oh? were you in America before that? where?
I'm not telling, there's still a group out there somewhere with torches waiting for my return!

:wink:

-Su