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Long haired types - how do you get your hair to stay tied?

Postby Maerwynn » Thu Jan 18, 2007 2:58 pm

I mean, what do you use instead of an elastic when authentic? I try to plait my hair to keep it out of the way at Viking events (as opposed to Saxon when it's all tied back under a wimple and not a problem), but the tie I use on the plait always falls off. I've used wool so far, of various thicknesses. What do other people use?

In case it makes any difference, I have very thick hair!

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Postby matilda » Thu Jan 18, 2007 3:16 pm

Hi,

I use an elastic band, a proper hair band, either black or brown (depends on the colour of your hair! )

You can get transparent bands, and then tie something more appropraite over it, so that you can't see the elastic. It would never stay in place otherwise!


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Postby Neibelungen » Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:49 pm

There's nothing to beat good animal fat and starch hair powder.

Keeps it in place, makes your hair powder stick well. And a nice black silk wig bag to finish it off. Only trouble is it does make your pillows a triffle messy.

Oh, and it does take about 12 washes to get it clean afterwards.



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Postby Shadowcat » Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:40 pm

Velvet ribbon used to keep my very heavy, waist length hair tied up without cutting at it. I used to wear a high pony tail, and used to tip all my hair forward while bending forward, and tie it up that way. (Much easier than trying to hold it up while tying.)

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Postby chrisanson » Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:02 pm

a pit of old rag as sall says plated in for a bit ! if it is riped the fluffy edges grip in the knot.:)
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Postby sally » Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:11 pm

Neibelungen wrote:There's nothing to beat good animal fat and starch hair powder.

Keeps it in place, makes your hair powder stick well. And a nice black silk wig bag to finish it off. Only trouble is it does make your pillows a triffle messy.

Oh, and it does take about 12 washes to get it clean afterwards.


I replicated an 18thC recipe for this when I did the book, right down to the burnt bone, cuttlefish and oakmoss powders to go in with the starch, with musk oil, neroli and everything. Have enough for some brave fool to tryout sometime if there is ever an occasion that warrants the real thing. Its very pungent!



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Postby Tod » Thu Jan 18, 2007 7:23 pm

I use either linen tape, or leather both work.



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Postby dragonskie2000 » Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:11 pm

I have very long thick hair too and weave a bit of narrow tabletweave in with the plait as I go down and then tie it off at the end.



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Postby Panda » Fri Jan 19, 2007 2:13 am

I got some luverly thin leather thonging in Prague an I use that. It works a treat :D


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Postby Bil » Fri Jan 19, 2007 10:18 am

I must admit to either thonging or plating both wort really well, but I use thonging these days.


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Postby Maerwynn » Fri Jan 19, 2007 10:51 am

Thank you all!

So leather doesn't slip then? Or do you have to use a flat ribbon of the stuff, rather than one of those rounded string things?

I'm not quite sure I understand how to plait in the string - how do you get both ends available?

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Postby Theotherone » Fri Jan 19, 2007 11:16 am

Fold it in half, put the loop behind the middle strand and include the dangly bits in the other two strands.


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Postby Colin Middleton » Fri Jan 19, 2007 1:39 pm

Why do you need to tie it back? I just tuck my hair (okay only down to my shoulder blades and very fine) into my arming cap before putting on my helmet (for the sake of those who have to undo my bevor) and leave it loose the rest of the time.

Have you considered a hair net? They seem to have been a popular medieval method of restrainign your hair.


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Postby Meg » Fri Jan 19, 2007 3:02 pm

Hi

I also have waist-length thick hair, and (when dressing it out of sight of the public) use a small, unobtrusive dark brown elastic. I then cover this with linen tape/ribbon. This works well for 1 plait or 2. If dressing it in view of the public, would use thin leather thonging and resign myself to having to re-do it sooner or later. I've also had some, more limited success just using linen tape, but it does tend to slip off.

Haven't yet figured out how to do the really ornate posh 14th-c stuff in public yet, so I generally dress my hair out of sight (using several elastics and a RIDICULOUS number of hairpins) then plonk a veil and circlet on top. Am trying to get hold of a decent - and strong - hairnet which will be authentic and do the job. I also have some bone hairpins, but they split really easily so aren't too practical. Does anyone else have a solution to the hairpin problem?



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Postby Maerwynn » Fri Jan 19, 2007 3:06 pm

So that's it! Must try it. Thank you, theotherone.

Why do you need to tie it back?


Cos it's so thick I can't get it all behind my ears (maybe I have small ears :? ), and when it hangs in front of my eyes, I can't see! Wearing a helmet keeps it back off my face alright, but I still need a solution for LHE-ing in female kit. (Would look a bit of a wally cooking with my helmet on! :lol:)

I could make a hairnet out of sprang I suppose, though I'd have to learn to sprang first. Not sure how odd it would look... Still I could start a new trend.

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Postby Cat » Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:17 pm

A chap who traded at Cosmeston was selling foot-long lengths of tablet woven braid in neutralish colours last year for 50p a length. They swiftly got bought, and are now dubbed 'mediaeval sellotape' because they 'cling' really well when tied, even to the end of my longish plait.

When I x-dress I tend to tuck my plait in, as there is no ref that I can find to men wearing their hair thus. Not a big point, but the less ammo we can give certain (Norburry!) parties, the better.


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Postby Karen Larsdatter » Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:59 pm

Maerwynn wrote:I could make a hairnet out of sprang I suppose, though I'd have to learn to sprang first. Not sure how odd it would look... Still I could start a new trend.

What period do you do? There's later medieval silk hairnets that are done in a different netting technique -- see http://moas.atlantia.sca.org/wsnlinks/i ... &catid=289 for examples and instructions.

My friend Doni made herself a sprang cap (among many other sprang things) -- she's wearing the cap in the photo at http://www.flickr.com/photos/strawberrykaren/222418486 -- I think it looks a bit like the cap at http://www.regia.org/sprang.htm when she's not wearing it.

(As to what I do with my hair to keep it out of the way -- I braid it, wrap my head & braids in a linen rectangle, and then tie the wrapped braids on top of my head. It gives the look of the wrapped lower-class headdresses of the later Middle Ages, but it's unfussy, doesn't allow tufts of hair to go all willy-nilly, and it's easy to adjust or redo during the day. And at outdoor events, it keeps ticks and mosquitos out of my hair -- though I'm not sure that's as much of a concern there as it is here. I can also pin an open hood directly to the linen twist, using straight pins made by my friend Kristi.)



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Postby Tuppence » Sun Jan 21, 2007 2:57 am

I use a hairband / bands and cover it in linen or wool tape, then cover it all up with a veil.

is fun doing 14th c though. cos then I get to have side buns :D


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Postby Maerwynn » Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:40 pm

Karen, I do Viking and early English only, so the later medieval solutions won't be appropriate.

Thank you for the links to the pictures. I'm not sure a cap of Doni's type would be heavy or tight enough to keep my hair off my face. I suppose I could put it all up in a crown of braids (nearly long enough to do this now! :P ) with inauthentic grips and then hide them under the cap. It'll be a learning curve for me, as I've no idea how to do this with the modern U-shaped pins, let alone straight ones. Can anyone describe how to do this in words of one syllable?

Cat, thanks for the tip about hiding the plait. What was the Cosmeston trader's sello-braid made out of - wool?

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Postby Theotherone » Mon Jan 22, 2007 5:44 pm

Presumuably, though someone will probably correct me here, you could make a very skinny scrunchy type thing out of something like an old leather glove with elastic threaded through?


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Postby Sophia » Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:59 pm

I too have long thick hair.

When doing up hair to hide under a variety of Medieval Headgear (specialise in late C15th) I use the following method:

Lengths of unbleached linen tape (about 1/2" wide from Quatermasterie) about 3" before I get to the end of the plait (one or two depending on the hair style) I tie a single knot of tape round the plait with a the short end about 2" longer than the anticipated end of the plait. I then incorporate the tape into my plait and at the end I tie a reef knot.

When I am only doing a single plait it doesn't have to be too long - a total length of about 12" max. You can then pin it up with modern bun pins and it will hold better than ordinary hair.

For two plaits you can either do two short pieces if you are intending to wear them uncovered or two longer pieces (min 18") so you can wrap the plaits around your head, you can then pin them in place - I recommend ordinary hairgrips rather than bun pins for this. This method also has the advantage that it stops your head cloth from slipping off over the course of the day and you have something to stick deocrative pins into without skewering your scalp.

If you are doing visible braid you could experiment with much longer lengths starting at the start of the plait - i.e. tie hair into a bunch/ponytail and then plait in the braid neatly before tying off.

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Postby Colin Middleton » Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:50 pm

Ah! So I get away with it because my hair is so fine. Okay, sorry if I sounded challenging.

When you say "Early English", what do you mean? We do 13th C as well as 15th C and in the 13th, it seems that women always had their hair covered (unless they were a queen or unmarried)

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Postby Maerwynn » Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:27 pm

Does the linen tape stop the hair slipping then? Your method sounds very neat, Sophia - thank you.

I didn't read your post as challenging, Colin. By early English I meant early medieval/dark age and from England. I'm a member of The Vikings, but dress English (as opposed to Scandinavian) whenever I can. Something to do with being (half) Danish in real life - going native is escapism for me! Or maybe it's just the prospect of being abducted...

For the Christian period, which is most shows, all English women must keep their hair covered. Playing pagan, Viking or English, I don't have to cover my hair, but have yet to develop a flattering way of keeping the d**n stuff out of the way without resorting to elastics and kirby grips.

Maybe when it gets really long I'll be able to knot it at the back of the head, Valkyrie style!

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Postby emmelinedeheron » Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:18 pm

i personally keep my butt length hair out of the way by platting it securing the ends using plaiting bands as they are colour matched to most hair types(used by horse rider for mane plaiting) and then a thin peice of braid hooked through the platting band and tied off to my wimple band, or then wound around itself creating a bun and binding with tablet braid.



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Postby moosiemoosiegander » Wed Feb 07, 2007 11:48 am

I have very thick, curly hair that refuses to be tamed. I have been known to use wool to tie it, but rather than just tieing it around the bottom of the plait once, I find that 'whipping' the end of the plait with the wool three or four times and then tieing the bow makes for a sturdy fastening.


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Postby Matild Le Sauvge » Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:32 pm

i have thick long hair my main problem is my split ends and the fact that to get it tied back takes 30 mins to brush each time i re-do my hair just to get the nots out i usly end up doing it 10 a show not the brushing since i just aquierd a bone come and not had any shows since i got it. i have found nothink works for my hair unless i bunch it its a pain as other members have same length same thicknes and mange ok. thay use leter thonging the problem is its scrapes and finding a peace longenough to hold my hair espeshly in a plat maby it would work if some one could french plat.




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