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Postby Quayn » Thu Jul 27, 2006 5:25 pm

Quayn wrote:
John Tiptoft wrote:What I'd like to ask is what's with all them ponytails on blokes?


mine's inauthentic but if i have to have a hair cut I may just wear it all in my hat. That said, I'd hate to think what else I'd have to do in order to meet those sort of standards. I like my hair where it is.

I tie it back with leather thong as to avoid any obvious authenty probs though.

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Postby John Tiptoft » Thu Jul 27, 2006 8:56 pm

Didn't mean to offend, Q, hope you didn't take it that way! What I was getting at was that they make very nice handles for grabbing that noble lord by when we are all "in the press", and as such very obviously dubious! Hiding it all under an arming cap or similar is, of course, very practical, and most likely what would have happened.

It obviously depends on the period as to how "authentic" modern hairstyles can look. One would have to be very dedicated (to the extent of obssessive I'd think!) to have the front shaven style of a Norman noble, or the basin shave of an Agincourt knight!

Perhaps I'm just jealous, my hairstyle resembles a very new and shiny helm - you can see your face in my baldy-head!


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Postby Quayn » Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:18 pm

None taken whatsoever, re-read my post but add tone of voice of that semi laugh sort. I'd cut my hair authentically but due to reasons I won't list. my hair is... liked by a few people I am very close to occasionally...

Anywho, it's a good point, much like the earing thing for our period, seems to crop up far more oftenthan the wristwatch.

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Postby Dave B » Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:29 pm

Are we suggesting that long hair is inauthentic or just tying it back? The image below is not secialy selected, it is genuinely the last image contemporanious with tewkesbury that I looked at - I posted it on the thread about drums the other day.


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More often than not in pictures of soldiers etc no hair can be seen at all but I woudn't take is as proven that the hair you cannot see was of any particular cut?


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Postby Tuppence » Fri Jul 28, 2006 3:41 pm

chances are it'd only be the posh fashionista types who'd have tried to stick to the latest cut.

grunts probably had whatever they felt like, and cut it as often as they could be bothered....

thgouh that said, there is a nice pic of semi naked well diggers from slightly earlier, and they seem to have short (head) hair. (obv not soldiers - lower class).


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Postby Gyrthofhwicce » Fri Jul 28, 2006 4:11 pm

In the Immortal words of catherine tates granny " What a load of old sh**"


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Postby John Tiptoft » Fri Jul 28, 2006 10:20 pm

Q - someone close likes your hair long? you lucky, lucky b*st'd, as Monty P would have it!
Dave B - that pic looks forayn, with the tube-horned bull banner. where's it from? Like Tuppence says, they're all fully armoured and look flush, so they must have a few quid spare for fashionable hairdressers and lice-combs!
Gyrth - to continue with the analogy, what a f*ckin liberty! Which bit is sh*t?

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Postby Dave B » Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:12 pm

[quote=" that pic looks forayn,[/quote]

It's swiss, about 1480.


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Postby katiepoppycat » Sun Jul 30, 2006 8:52 am

did anyone catch the belgian resistance fighter water carrying on the yorkist side? WW2 green tin helmet with blegian flag stencilled on it, flouncy shirt worn offthe shoulder, long red skirt tucked into belt, moulin rouge frilly long knickers and army boots. She was doing a cracking job water carrying though. Unfortunately made my job harder as my archers kept spitting their water out when they saw her and i had to keep refilling them!



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Postby matlot » Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:41 am

i must admit i think everyone spotted the girls on the gate


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Postby gregory23b » Sun Jul 30, 2006 1:34 pm

long hair crops up a fair bit, especially in German art, the archetype flowing blonde locks are very common.

The reenactment hair is not so much wether long or no but how it is styled, it would be quite nice to see some men with the right hair, fashionable types.


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Postby mally ley » Sun Jul 30, 2006 2:21 pm

For women, the hair thing that has me gritting my teeth is fringes . . . in fact, just thinking about it has brought to mind a discussion years ago with a woman (who has continued to get under my skin about many different things over the years - don't even know her name, but whenever I hear her talking either to newbies or MOP it's always wrong... :evil: )
<sigh> anyway, nice gentle suggestion that a crosscut headband would hold back her fringe (having watched her carefully pull her fringe out from under her coif, and arrange her hair while looking in a mirror) was met with "but I don't like my face that way", I then spotted the masscara ...
I had to walk away, muttering that she wouldn't be near a mirror all day, only the rest of us would have to see it ...



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Postby Tamsin Lewis » Sun Jul 30, 2006 3:03 pm

It's the people who insist on being posh, but aren't willing to wear sleeves if it's hot that annoy me



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Postby Lucy Cassidy » Sun Jul 30, 2006 3:50 pm

I've just gone back through the photos again (felt the need for a giggle) and I just love the comments. Please add more!! Particularly liked the one where someone who knew the perpetrators jumped in to defend them.

Heraldis, I think you should definitely do this every year, and maybe over time people will learn what not to do... as Sally said, the comments are really helpful for those of us who might not appreciate what sin is being committed.


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Postby Dave B » Sun Jul 30, 2006 3:54 pm

gregory23b wrote:long hair crops up a fair bit, especially in German art, the archetype flowing blonde locks are very common.

The reenactment hair is not so much wether long or no but how it is styled, it would be quite nice to see some men with the right hair, fashionable types.


I'll have to be a German immegrant in future. I'm pretty sure that 'shoulder length and slightly unkempt' would have been a common style amongst english soliery as well just becuase it is convenient?


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Postby William » Sun Jul 30, 2006 4:19 pm

Dave B wrote:I'm pretty sure that 'shoulder length and slightly unkempt' would have been a common style amongst english soliery as well just becuase it is convenient?


Not as convenient as keeping hair short, surely (in terms of maintenance, keeping free from lice etc)? Englishmen also kept shaved (I would say 'clean shaven' but I doubt it was necessarily that regular!).



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Postby gregory23b » Sun Jul 30, 2006 8:00 pm

Dave,

I owuld agree with William, yeah unkempt long hair gets more unmanageable, but if you want unkempt hair that might ie in with a general unkemptness, me I manage the latter with great ease and I have short hair. I would love to have decent 15thC hair but not want to look like Emo Phillips or some dodgy 1970s folk rocker with long hair and eyebrow level fringe.

Apart from that the Swiss and German pics show quite pretty men in nice hair and you would eb letting the side down, on top of that wouldn't it be nice to sit in a chair and have someone comb your hair for you?
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Postby Dianne » Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:59 pm

Had a good snigger ........... but for every negative there has to be a positive so can we have some pics of 'good examples of kit' please?


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Postby Dickie » Mon Jul 31, 2006 4:41 pm

Dave B wrote:Are we suggesting that long hair is inauthentic or just tying it back? The image below is not secialy selected, it is genuinely the last image contemporanious with tewkesbury that I looked at - I posted it on the thread about drums the other day.


It is interesting to note that the black bulls head on a yellow field is the symbol of one of teh aristocratic families of Cesky Krumlov in C15th Bohemia...just a passing observation...


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Postby Nigel » Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:16 pm

I think that one is ZUG

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Postby mattb » Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:37 pm

katiepoppycat wrote:did anyone catch the belgian resistance fighter water carrying on the yorkist side? WW2 green tin helmet with blegian flag stencilled on it, flouncy shirt worn offthe shoulder, long red skirt tucked into belt, moulin rouge frilly long knickers and army boots. She was doing a cracking job water carrying though. Unfortunately made my job harder as my archers kept spitting their water out when they saw her and i had to keep refilling them!


Think you mean AJ who was with the Fitzgeralds and Courteneyes, i did comment, but seeing as she was one of our water carriers i wasn't going to complain too much, she was more subtly attired at berkeley, well on the battlefield anyway.

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Postby The Admiral » Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:54 pm

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katiepoppycat wrote:did anyone catch the belgian resistance fighter water carrying on the yorkist side? WW2 green tin helmet with blegian flag stencilled on it, flouncy shirt worn offthe shoulder, long red skirt tucked into belt, moulin rouge frilly long knickers and army boots. She was doing a cracking job water carrying though. Unfortunately made my job harder as my archers kept spitting their water out when they saw her and i had to keep refilling them!


Think you mean AJ who was with the Fitzgeralds and Courteneyes, i did comment, but seeing as she was one of our water carriers i wasn't going to complain too much, she was more subtly attired at berkeley, well on the battlefield anyway.

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If you're referring to the AJ on these forums - it definitely wasn't her as she fights and dresses as an archer for the Fauconbergs. I don't think she actually owns a dress (her words not mine!!)


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Postby mattb » Wed Aug 02, 2006 4:17 pm

No another AJ , hence i specified a group, as i knew it wasn't the same one as on here.



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Postby Cat » Wed Aug 02, 2006 7:10 pm

The whole make-up on women thing bugs me. Does any(Sally)body know whether any make-up is 'thentic at all?


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Postby John Tiptoft » Wed Aug 02, 2006 8:41 pm

does anyone know if fighting ladies are authentic? Make-up or not?
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Postby sallysc343 » Wed Aug 02, 2006 8:51 pm

John Tiptoft wrote:does anyone know if fighting ladies are authentic? Make-up or not?
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before this turns into a virtual fist fight this topic was covered in the friends and gossip forum. You'll find it under "women on the battlefield". If you want to read the whole of that thread may I suggest you get yourself a film length supply of popcorn etc and for personal protection put some sort of armour on :twisted: :twisted: :wink:


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Postby Quayn » Wed Aug 02, 2006 9:09 pm

John Tiptoft wrote:does anyone know if fighting ladies are authentic? Make-up or not?
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I'll start handing out the 20 foot poles for anyone thinking of touching this one.

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Postby John Tiptoft » Wed Aug 02, 2006 10:24 pm

I was only asking! Couldn't resist that one, just pointing out that authenticity is relative!

off to find some friends to gossip with. "wish me luck as you wave me goodbye, cheerio...."

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Postby John Tiptoft » Wed Aug 02, 2006 10:32 pm

OK, I can see what all the fuss was about now! Didn't read it all (no popcorn), but I get the gist! I wasn't saying the ladies can't fight, just that they wouldn't be there.

I'll leave it there now... she's behind me, isn't she?

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Postby Hecate » Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:40 am

BOO! :twisted:

Sorry :wink:

Q- your hair looks fine, loving the new black and pink coat btw.

I knew someone from a group in L&M once (and I'm not saying who) who had a pudding bowl hair cut, just to try it out. worrying thing was it quite suited him!

Also knew someone that had a tonsure cut when playing a monk at one event and didn't shave his head afterwards for a while despite working full time!




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