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Where can I get natural cotton?

Postby Tod » Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:50 pm

As in pre processed before its made in to fabric. I want to use it as "stuffing" in a helmet liner.



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Postby John Waller » Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:57 pm

Tod wrote:As in pre processed before its made in to fabric. I want to use it as "stuffing" in a helmet liner.


I used tow in my liner which I got from a, sadly now closed, olde fashioned plumbers merchant. Which I think has historical provenance. What about wool fleece or even kapok?


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Postby Midland Spinner » Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:36 pm

I can get you some un-spun cotton fibres, but why not use either fleece or combed wool (both of which I already have in stock)?



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Postby steve stanley » Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:01 pm

Townsend do bags of tow


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Postby Grymm » Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:57 pm

Cotton wool 'pleats' from Boots/Tesco/Superdrug etc?

'S 100% unspun cotton fibre http://www.boots.com/en/Boots-Baby-Cotton-Wool-Pleats-200g_924166/

If you're being really picky go organic http://www.ocado.com/webshop/product/Fairtrade--Organic-Cotton-Wool-Pleats/53193011

Or hit the Quilters shop on the road out of Bletchly http://www.threadsandpatches.co.uk/ and see if they can source some cotton or wool batting or wadding for you.


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Re: Where can I get natural cotton?

Postby Shadow7cat » Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:55 pm

Cotton Wadding, Whaley's Bradford. But they sell in largeish quantities.

http://www.whaleys-bradford.ltd.uk/search.htm

How much do you actually want - I have the remains of a roll, if I can find it - the workroom is being re-organised and everything is scattered all over the house.
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Postby Medicus Matt » Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:31 am

I can do you a binbag full of sheep fleece which will do the job AND make your head smell like mutton!
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Postby Tod » Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:55 pm

I have several raw fleeces that I bought last year but I thought it might felt and turn into a lump. Do I need to comb it first?



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Postby Medicus Matt » Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:58 pm

Tod wrote:I have several raw fleeces that I bought last year


Really? I can barely give the damned things away. Let me know next time you want some.


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Postby Grymm » Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:04 pm

Felting you need heat, water n some soap to help it along, the raw stuff tends to have a wee bit too much lanolin to dread it together easily (felt is essentially shaped dreadlocks).

Kitty(hats), Sally(Pointer) or Rachel(Crafty Beggers) could help with sheep rubbing advice all being dab hands at it.


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Postby Tod » Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:23 pm

I want it to stay (fluffy) as it padding, I'll try some fleece between layers of linen and bash it about for a while and see what happens.



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Postby Colin Middleton » Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:58 pm

I've just checked our local spinnin supplier http://www.winghamwoolwork.co.uk/13-plant and they appear to have some in.

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Postby Tod » Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:54 am

Grymm wrote:Cotton wool 'pleats' from Boots/Tesco/Superdrug etc?

Or hit the Quilters shop on the road out of Bletchly http://www.threadsandpatches.co.uk/ and see if they can source some cotton or wool batting or wadding for you.


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Now the ignorant bit, what are cotton wool pleats?

If I take natural fleece that has come straight off the sheep can I just use it as stuffing? Because I have two big boxes of it.



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Postby Mark Griffin » Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:18 pm

The gestech helm linings in Vienna seem to have unprocessed sheeps wool as their padding. They certainly smell that way. Either that or Maximilian was a sheep......


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Postby Tod » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:19 am

Or they have been used as very small sheep pens for a couple of hundred years. I have to ask why did you stick your nose in them :crazy: :lol:



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Postby Mark Griffin » Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:44 am

You'll be surprised what I sniff in the name of research. Or just idle curiosity


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Postby Midland Spinner » Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:47 am

Tod wrote:Now the ignorant bit, what are cotton wool pleats?


Cotton wool is eithern sold in fluffy sheets which are pleated/folded to fit into a bag or as a collection of small balls loose in a bag. It's usually found in either the baby section or the cosmetic section of a chemists' shop

Tod wrote:If I take natural fleece that has come straight off the sheep can I just use it as stuffing? Because I have two big boxes of it.

I'd suggest washing it first. If it's going to be used as padding inside layers of cloth I'd just soak it in luke-warm water until the dirt loosens, DO NOT move it around too much otherwise it will felt. Rinse in water at the same temperature as the water it's in.

You can use a detergent such as dishwashing liquid or soap, but this needs more rinsing and will risk the whole thing turning to a big ball of felt.



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Postby Sophia » Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:15 pm

I have been recommended Ecover Delicates Liquid for washing raw fleece (not quite gotten round to it due to life and bad weather).

Spread out and pick over fleece first, then put a modest amount in a bucket with the correct amount of liquid for the volume of water (cold will do), then swoosh gently and soak over night.

To rinse use the bath or a baby bath, change water regularly and swoosh about gently. After final rinse squash the water out gently

To dry spread out on a towel or sheet, ideally do the whole process when it is sunny so you can put the fleece the whole caboodle on a the garden table to dry. If you have to dry it inside then lay it on a towel and roll this up and gently squeeze you remove as much water as you can before laying out to dry - do not wring.

The scraggy bits can be washed in laundry bag separately and produce great felty little tufts which are ideal wadding for early handguns (our last few lots came from the lovely Lucy the Tudor IIRC - P is the gunner not me).

P.S. Stuffing things with wool (cod pieces, bum rolls, etc.) is easier if you use carded wool, or you have at least partially combed it out with a steel toothed comb.


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Postby Tod » Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:19 pm

We got some cotton pleats, Angie knew what they are I avoid that section of Boots. What we found was that it is best to make the liner and then gradually stuff it trying it on each time or you end up with too much padding and the whole thing is then too small. This would explain why I've always thought some closed helmets look way too big for rest of the armour they are with.

I don't have the time or a portable sun to mess about with the wool at the moment and if we ever get any sun I'll be doing some thing other than washing wool. By the way whats wrong with just picking out the dirt and use it as is (other than being chased about by Griff trying to sniff my head)? What am I trying to wash out just dirt? I (actually I'll ask Angie) might try just doing a bit in a plastic bowl with a little mild hand soap as I have some of that Ecover liquid soap. Then I'll have to dry it in the house on a tablea bit at a time. If it goes wrong I'll have a lot of wadding.



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Postby Mark Griffin » Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:45 pm

and bear in mind new and refurbed linings crop up lots of times in inventories. Jobs for the boys obviously. Its easy to buy a helmet, now about this service contract......


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Postby Sophia » Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:45 pm

Tod - on the matter of washing the fleece I suggest you stick your face deep in your fleece and take a deep breath and then imagine the odour once it is brought up to body heat or slightly above. Basically unwashed fleece is pretty stinky to say the least remember it will all sorts of assorted fluids, etc. on it as well as the natural lanolin - personally I find that the smell is slightly stomach turning.


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Postby Mark Griffin » Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:37 am

And its not just natural oils, its, not beating about the bush, urine and faeces too.

I find a gentle hand was in mild detergent and some natural drying (don't tumble!) works pretty well. If used in linings it does bounce back a bit better than cotton which seems to compress and then that's your lot.


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