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Silk Velvet

Postby gar450 » Mon Nov 07, 2011 1:18 pm

Can anyone point me to a source for pure silk velvet (as opposed to viscose/silk of which I can find plenty)



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Postby Nigel » Mon Nov 07, 2011 1:37 pm

Colour ?


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Re: Silk Velvet

Postby Jolynn » Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:44 pm

I don't know where you live but I know there is a shop in Birmingham, next to the rag market, that has TONS of silk velvet. I drool at it every time I go in there lol. Such beautiful beautiful colours too. Shame it's so expensive otherwise I would have made a gown of it LONG ago lol. Hope your pocket is deep, cus silk velvet is about £22 per metre! :o



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Re: Silk Velvet

Postby saracen » Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:50 pm

From the 'fabric suppliers' listings:
http://www.prelle.fr/en/collections/velours/
http://www.silkbaron.com/silk/index.html
and it all looks gorgeous...
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Re: Silk Velvet

Postby gar450 » Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:59 pm

Black in colour. Live in Staffordshire so trip to Brum only an hour at most.

Fortunately only need enough for collars/cuffs/facings napoleonic officers coatee



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Re: Silk Velvet

Postby Shadow7cat » Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:11 pm

Jolynn wrote:I don't know where you live but I know there is a shop in Birmingham, next to the rag market, that has TONS of silk velvet. I drool at it every time I go in there lol. Such beautiful beautiful colours too. Shame it's so expensive otherwise I would have made a gown of it LONG ago lol. Hope your pocket is deep, cus silk velvet is about £22 per metre! :o


Are you sure that is 100% silk velvet? Most these days that are sold as silk velvet are a silk viscose mix. £22.00 seems a very cheap price to me if it is genuine.

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Re: Silk Velvet

Postby Sophia » Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:37 pm

Shadow7cat is quite correct - I have researched 100% silk velvet (that is warp, weft and pile are all silk) and it generally comes from specialist suppliers and starts at around £100/m (generally 45", sometimes 60" wide) and often comes with a minimum order level. If you are extremely lucky you might find a vintage piece on Ebay or at an antique textiles fair. It should also be borne in mind that in earlier periods there were a range of different velvets available as well as other piled clothes including mockado and naples fustian.

Unless you have extremely deep pockets you will have to substitute. Your options are as follows:

Silk/Viscose Velvet: Generally a silk warp/weft and viscose pile in around 20/80 proportions. It has the right lustre but does not have the hand of 100% silk velvet being lighter and not as stiff. This generally cost between £20-£40/m.

Pure Cotton Dress velvet: By this I mean the very best cotton velvet, not the cheaper stuff which is often lightweight upholstery velvet. This has the advantage of having a similar hand to 100% silk velvet (drape and weight) but can lack something in lustre. This will be a similar price to Silk/Viscose velvet in my experience.

As you are using it for facings your best bet is probably Silk/Viscose velvet as it will be supported by the cloth of the coat and the hand is not so vital.

Just one word of warning, unless you have a walking foot on your sewing machine and extensive experience of working with silk velvet I recommend you do all your sewing by hand as it is easier to control. The same goes for cutting, straighten and weight your velvet very carefully and do not attempt to cut double. When you are pressing unless you have a velvet cloth (can be obtained from suppliers like Morplan) you should set your steam to high and use a burst of steam at a distance rather than putting the iron down on the cloth.

I hope this is helpful.


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Re: Silk Velvet

Postby Jolynn » Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:06 pm

Eek! I believed it was, that's what the owner said. Hope he wasn't being Jammy!!!



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Re: Silk Velvet

Postby Sophia » Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:40 pm

Silk velvet is generically used to refer to Silk/Viscose velvet by many people. Unless I handled a sample (I have handled the real thing) or knew exactly which mill it was woven by or knew the seller personally I would be extremely wary.

Apart from Prelle (listed above) this is the last place I saw it. I bitterly regret not raiding the piggy bank at the time, particular as the indigo dyed stuff was gorgeous.

Many, many moons ago I enquired about Prelle's prices, it was £100/m plus and their was a minimum order, can't remember how much but it was a lot.

I cannot vouch for the Silk Baron - it does not state anywhere on their website that the velvet is 100% silk and the photographs look like Silk/Viscose velvet to me.


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Re: Silk Velvet

Postby Captain Reech » Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:44 pm

http://www.anjooriansilks.com/gallery/t ... p?iCat=154

Can't speak for quality but this could be a reasonable way of buying it at $75 per yard AND the're prepared to dye 1 yard for you.


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Re: Silk Velvet

Postby purple peril » Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:56 am

Occasionally I torture myself with a visit to this website...
http://www.luigi-bevilacqua.com/html/en ... a-mano.php



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Postby Captain Reech » Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:03 am

purple peril wrote:Occasionally I torture myself with a visit to this website...
http://www.luigi-bevilacqua.com/html/en ... a-mano.php


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Re: Silk Velvet

Postby Alice the Huswyf » Wed Nov 09, 2011 6:08 pm

"Eek! I believed it was, that's what the owner said. Hope he wasn't being Jammy!!!" That would be the Fancy Silk Store. No they aren't jammy - but Sophia is right "Silk velvet is generically used to refer to Silk/Viscose velvet by many people". Silk mix velvet is the norm; it is a very specialist end user who knows teh difference and the sourcing of 100 per cent silk velvet.

"Can't speak for quality but this could be a reasonable way of buying it at $75 per yard AND the're prepared to dye 1 yard for you." but don't forget the hidden costs of shipping to the UK and customs fees - you (not the seller) are responsible for getting the correct code for the imported product so that it can be taxed correctly (ie the revenue code for leather and plastic shoes differs greatly) . The Post Office do demand the fee if it falls over the gift / small purchase thresholds.

You don't want to upset Customs - they have an enormous remit.

Somehwere in the archive there is an enormous thread from last time we did this a few years ago . It is well worth looking up.


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Re: Silk Velvet

Postby Panth » Sun Nov 13, 2011 11:31 am

These guys have some: http://www.wmboothdraper.com/

Whether it's true 100% silk or a silk ground with rayon pile I don't know. I have a sample. It's very nice, the photo on the website is very representative of the colour. However, it is extremely light and floaty stuff with a short pile. I'm not really sure what one could use it for.



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Re: Silk Velvet

Postby Thomas Hayman » Sun Nov 13, 2011 2:42 pm

Fondazione lisio do some *extremely* nice hand woven silks and velvets. A little pricy at several hundred a metre though :-/

http://www.fondazionelisio.org/index.php?home-en


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Re: Silk Velvet

Postby Midland Spinner » Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:07 pm

There's a company not far from here, they buy roll-ends of fabric from top-end upholstery companies (so some of the fabrics are really really special) and sell on at reasonable amounts. For instance, Silk Velvet is just £30 a metre which is very cheap for such luxury fabric which usually retails at about 10x that.

She gets some lovely lovely fabrics - some of them would be ideal for re-enactors. (Not all as pricy as silk velvet
http://www.loftfarnsfield.co.uk/



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Re: Silk Velvet

Postby JC Milwr » Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:38 pm

TBH for costuming purposes, silk/viscose is pretty good; with the good ones the pile is the silk bit, the viscose is completely hidden. Much better than the cotton stuff, anyway!


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Re: Silk Velvet

Postby Alexander » Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:39 am

Because this turns out to be a nice collection of high quality fabric suppliers I'd like to mention Almerlin. This German company has some nice brocades and damasks. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to have a lot of silk velvet at the moment but you might ask them if they could find some.



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Re: Silk Velvet

Postby Grymm » Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:06 pm

John Lewis do a velvet with a cotton ground and a silk pile to order but it was silly money, £100+ a metre.


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Re: Silk Velvet

Postby JC Milwr » Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:51 pm

I got my silk/viscose velvet from the Silk Society; it is wonderfully soft. It was (I think) £45 per meter 6 years ago.

http://www.thesilksociety.com/ (more fabric porn)


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Re: Silk Velvet

Postby Sophia » Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:13 pm

Grymm wrote:John Lewis do a velvet with a cotton ground and a silk pile to order but it was silly money, £100+ a metre.


That sounds good as it is more likely to have the correct hand - silk viscose velvet is too light and floaty and needs to be pad stitched to an interlining for many uses to give it the correct weight which is a lot of work.

I would still argue that for many uses very high end cotton velvet is going to be a better choice.


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Re: Silk Velvet

Postby tanyabentham » Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:24 pm

A little bird told me that quartermasterie/chatelaine silks had a limited supply of silk pile velvet for TOrm next weekend



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Re: Silk Velvet

Postby Digitaria » Sun Dec 01, 2013 5:21 pm

Hi sometime ago - I purchased 4 metres of chanel silk velvet from ebay for only £40 (Lucky me)

However I was so impressed I tried to get more and searched online, I came across an Italian company but they charge alot. Also aurora silks used to produce a silk velvet but I contacted them today, as there was no mention on there website and I am waiting for a reply. I do also have another source somewhere but cant find it off hand.

One useful test, which I used to ensure the silk velvet was genuine was to immerse a small square of velvet in a glass with a squirt of household bleach, if the sample completly dissolves, leaving only a foamy substance in the bleach then the warp and weft are pure silk, if however with a number of other samples, I have tested what will happen is the silk pile will dissolve, leaving behind the weft backing.



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the cost of all over cut velvet  is € 1200,00 per meter  - width of cm 60-



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Re: Silk Velvet

Postby Thomas Hayman » Mon Dec 02, 2013 10:30 am

i believe those prices are high because it is entirely handwoven?


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Re: Silk Velvet

Postby Izabela Pitcher » Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:00 pm

I have used quartermasterie silk velvet - it is silk nap with cotton backing. looks great, much easier to work with that the rayon mixes, ans since the nap is all silk - that's what is visible - you do not see the cotton backing:-) good weight too. price - £40 per metre, and worth it....


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