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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 11:45 am
by steve stanley
'Come and get your Heretic on a stick...Buy 'em while they're Hot...Crispy Calvinist''

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:30 pm
by Hraefn
Lollards! Lollards! Burn one get one freed, actually, not the last bit.
http://www.amersham.org.uk/tour/martyrs.htm

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 2:35 pm
by lidimy
Hraefn wrote:Lollards! Lollards! Burn one get one freed, actually, not the last bit.
http://www.amersham.org.uk/tour/martyrs.htm
:roll:

Get with the times, it's 1555, Lutherans are the new Lollards OK!!!! :lol:

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 6:51 pm
by steve stanley
Worrying thing is....I've actually gone & got a book from the library on the last years of Henry VIII...Oh god!..not another century......

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:25 pm
by lidimy
Robert Hutchinson? :D

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:51 pm
by steve stanley
lidimy wrote:Robert Hutchinson? :D
Thats the one......

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:56 pm
by Hraefn
lidimy wrote:
Hraefn wrote:Lollards! Lollards! Burn one get one freed, actually, not the last bit.
http://www.amersham.org.uk/tour/martyrs.htm
:roll:

Get with the times, it's 1555, Lutherans are the new Lollards OK!!!! :lol:
Is it? Those toerags at work told me it was 1543 next year.

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:57 pm
by lidimy
Good isn't it :D I liked the way they examined his behaviour and physical problems and reached a medical verdict I hadn't heard of before...

sorry, am I giving it all away?

(he dies at the end you know!!)

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:01 pm
by steve stanley
Very readable & not too scholarly for a non-specialist!.....May have to get the new Osprey on Scots armies of the period...In the mood for some Rough Wooing!

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:05 pm
by lidimy
Yep - I found it very accessible, and I like the way it lets the reader read the sources that the author is working from. Nothing more annoying than reading a history book, thoroughly enjoying it, then realising it didn't include a single primary source...! Makes you feel like the author has been making it all up!! :o

Doesn't Phil t G do that kinda stuff? Tudory Northy horsy gallopy stuff??

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:11 pm
by steve stanley
He does,and they're very good...shared an event with them at their base many years ago....About the only impression that could conceivably tempt me onto a horse.....
Back to the book....
But he doesn't do that thing of filling half of every page with notes,Thank God!.....got the balance just right.

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:19 pm
by lidimy
Yeh I know what you mean! Footnotes to the back at all times, please! :lol:

AND it has colour pictures. What more could you want from a book? Plus it focuses on an era of his reign which tends to fade into insignificance due to the popular focus on his divorce. It just helps to create a more evenly detailed picture of his life, I found :D

What to give for New Year 1526

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:25 pm
by Cecily
What did he do with all those shirts?!
I have no idea what a cloud on a collar could be, but I have suggestions for the broken & complete handkerchiefs. Broken can refer to colours being mixed closely together ie in patterns; as opposed to something being made in one plain colour. It might also refer to weaving patterns/textures rather than colours, which could be more likely with hankerchiefs. Or it could be someting to do with some of the handkerchiefs being full sized & others smaller than standard. But I have a wonderful picture in my head of Henry viii sitting finishing the hemming on some incomplete handkies tho(with an allen key)!

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:40 pm
by Phil the Grips
lidimy wrote:Doesn't Phil t G do that kinda stuff? Tudory Northy horsy gallopy stuff??
Yes- but tend towards 1580s, though the theme for this Christmas is some local event that happened in 1571.

Early C16th is one of the rarer periods- people tend to stick to very late C15th or mid to late C16th for whatever reasons, though I have seen some Henrician fellows down in Dover and gadgeddlar have done some events around that timeframe.

When I win the lottery and get "School of the Renaissance Soldier" going we'll have a Flodden to do at the end of it all and it'll be Almain Rivet all round 8)

Re: What to give for New Year 1526

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:15 pm
by lidimy
Cecily wrote:What did he do with all those shirts?!
I have no idea what a cloud on a collar could be, but I have suggestions for the broken & complete handkerchiefs. Broken can refer to colours being mixed closely together ie in patterns; as opposed to something being made in one plain colour. It might also refer to weaving patterns/textures rather than colours, which could be more likely with hankerchiefs. Or it could be someting to do with some of the handkerchiefs being full sized & others smaller than standard. But I have a wonderful picture in my head of Henry viii sitting finishing the hemming on some incomplete handkies tho(with an allen key)!
Lovely image indeed!
I am definitely intruiged by this clouding thing though. It's the level of detail that something like.. oh my.. Janet Arnold's linens book might cover!

Just rereading the passage again though - it seems like both collared and straight necked shirts were being worn by men at the same time? Would this be a correct reading? Some kind of shirty cross over period?

PtG - 'parently Kentwell is angling for a Henrician year next year, should raise awareness a little bit more again :D but again, what about Henry VII? Who on earth covers that period apart from maybe a one off event? That would be fascinating to do. It seems atm that it's a gap in re-enacting, or is that just my perception? Like... Burgundian gowns are going straight into turnback sleeved square necked things and short little doublets and hose for men go straight into those big frothy hose and jerkins... would be nice to cover the inbetweeny bit, IMO. Surely there is no lack of sources for the period!

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 11:46 pm
by Jenn
yup 1535 I was hoping it would be earlier but ho hum
yes lidi you're right there was a bit of a shirt cross over at about the time you've picked out.

Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:14 am
by red razors
Jenn wrote:yup 1535 I was hoping it would be earlier but ho hum.
is this almost official, definitely official, or an informed opinion?!?

Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:37 am
by lucy the tudor
Unfortunately official- a missed opportunity if ever there was one...
Lucy :(

Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:24 am
by Annis
lucy the tudor wrote:Unfortunately official- a missed opportunity if ever there was one...
Lucy :(
A missed opportunity? :?

Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:27 pm
by lidimy
Annis you've pretty much got your new gown designed don't you? I expect you'll feel rather naked with a ruffless neck and a square necked shift! :lol: :lol:

I'll go through 1535 on the webby, maybe 1534 and 1536 too. I'll let you know if I find anything exciting... *grin* and I'll stick it all up on here. Good year though... juicy!!!

Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:20 pm
by red razors
ah!! well i am quite biased toward mid-1520s to 1550s anyways so i am actually rather pleased.

Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:50 pm
by lucy the tudor
Missed opportunity purely to bring in lots of money for the estate. It's the five hundredth anniversary of something pretty significant in our history, they don't come round too often ( about every...)
So, as Henry is usually studied by every primary school, and is popular with so many MOPs , it would have brought visitor numbers right up at a time when the place has been suffering from reduced numbers.
I too am quite happy with the costume implications, just feel they could have made more dosh, which would have made everyone a bit more secure.
Lucy

Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 2:08 pm
by Annis
lidimy wrote:Annis you've pretty much got your new gown designed don't you? I expect you'll feel rather naked with a ruffless neck and a square necked shift! :lol: :lol:

I'll go through 1535 on the webby, maybe 1534 and 1536 too. I'll let you know if I find anything exciting... *grin* and I'll stick it all up on here. Good year though... juicy!!!
Yeah, I know what I want, just getting it may be the problem. But I don't have to spend out on much silk this year. Velvet I will and I might just save my fur coat for lining my cloak hood (when I get round to making one), unless the fur would also look nice to trim the turnbacks....I don't know! :(

Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 2:16 pm
by lidimy
Tuuuuurnbacks!!! :D :D :D :D :D

Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 2:20 pm
by Annis
Well, I've thought of lining the turnbacks with velvet, I thought black, but (if I can get it) midnight blue wool, with black velvet and brown fur may look a little silly. Unless I can get navy velvet... :?

Well, I'm fabric shopping tomorrow, so we'll see.

Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:21 pm
by red razors
i need to start back into my kirtle. and make a new shirt. and a coif.

Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:26 pm
by lidimy
red razors wrote:i need to start back into my kirtle. and make a new shirt. and a coif.
I thought you already had a shift? Didn't you post a piccy ages ago when you made your petticoat?

Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:02 pm
by red razors
yes but it has a collar with ruffling on it, which is too late for 1535. isn't it?

Re: What to give for New Year 1526

Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:03 pm
by James Bretlington
[quote="lidimy], what about Henry VII? Who on earth covers that period apart from maybe a one off event? That would be fascinating to do. It seems atm that it's a gap in re-enacting, or is that just my perception? Like... Burgundian gowns are going straight into turnback sleeved square necked things and short little doublets and hose for men go straight into those big frothy hose and jerkins... would be nice to cover the inbetweeny bit, IMO. Surely there is no lack of sources for the period![/quote]

We did this at a fair over here once, and the resident colothing specialst looked all over for references, and didn't find too much.

Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:23 pm
by Grymm
Looks like some of the Beauforts are up for a Flodden already
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Picture 'borrowed' from this thread on another board