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I am attempting to make myself a buff coat for SK cavalry, and am having a hard time finding a supplier for the leather. Does anyone know of anyone decent and not too horrendously expensive?

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For buff you are gonna have to pay a fair whack even if it is good value.

Le prevo are the first and most obvious choice- though since they moved to smaller premises they tend not to carry the more unusual stuff in stock anymore but can get it in.

www.leprevo.co.uk
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You are truly becoming my knight in the proverbial! :lol:

Thanks, I hadn't thought of Le Prevo. I'll give them a look.

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You could always try Claytons Tanneries for proper buff
http://www.claytonleather.com/

Depending if its the right size for you
http://livinghistory.co.uk/forums/viewt ... =buff+coat

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Thanks, I'll try them too. :D

That one is beautiful, but unfortunately no good for cavalry - not enough give in the sleeves.

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How do you know?
My Beaby buffcoat has sleeves 10mm thick and is perfectly capable of riding a horse and being used in combat

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Post by Ariarnia »

Keith Lyon tends to be excellent for both quality and price. If you arn't exactly sure what you're after he is also fantastic for discussing what you need.

PM me for his number.

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Merlon. wrote:How do you know?
My Beaby buffcoat has sleeves 10mm thick and is perfectly capable of riding a horse and being used in combat
Sorry, I didn't put that right, was in a rush. I meant I personally prefer coats for riding which have 'hinged' sleeves. I find the one-piece sleeves too bulky.


Thanks Ariarnia, will send a PM now.

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Bogwoppit wrote:Thanks, I'll try them too. :D

That one is beautiful, but unfortunately no good for cavalry - not enough give in the sleeves.
loads of give and made from the correct material much better than sone of the utter shite masqueradingas buff coats

keith lyons will not stock what you need Claytons is where Mark got the right stuff from whne he made Pauls Mikes and mine
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Ok ok I didn't mean to start an argument! :lol:

I'll have a look at all options. Thanks very much guys for all your help, it is much appreciated.

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Keith Lyons is fab, but I'd doubt whether he'd have anything suitable for a proper buff coat.

The whole subject is a bit of a sore spot for a lot of c17th re-enactors - there are tons out there that bear no relation at all to the originals (which I have handled - littlecote collection to be precise).
and is perfectly capable of riding a horse
talented buff coat to be able to ride :wink:
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If you have no luck there, you might be able to try Bowstock, nice guy, but I'm not sure what he carries in terms of supplies.

Another possibility would be the Identity Store. They aren't the cheapest leather suppliers out there, but they get some unusual types of leather in.

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Claytons are the only Uk people to do correct oil tanned buff leather (although it is sulphated so will smell and tarnish metalwork quite quickly)

Correctly it needs to have the surface grain removed rather than remaining ( that's why they use sulfated oils as it is faster and doesn't need the grain removed) Tends to limit you to about 6-8mm thick though, unless they have a really thick piece available.

An original buff coat would have been closer to 10-12mm, especially on the foreparts and 6-8mm sleeves unless double layered (usually with alum inside sleeves)

Figure about 25-30 sq foot for a proper coat and about £8-£10 sq ft cost. Only available in half and whole hides though. 30-60 sq ft.

Anything else from all other leather suppliers will be veg tan, which isn't going to be buff ( simply the grain ground off), or a oiled tannage added afterwards. (or an oiled base chrome for flexibility).

There's an American company doing proper fish oil tanned buff, but it's even more expensive. About £15 plus last time.

Claytons is white (bandsman) but yellows with time and without the grain) and in most cases is ochre dressed anyway after finishing.

Karl Robinson http://www.karlrobinson.co.uk does some of the best ones around but figure around the £800 to £1000+ for a proper coat. (No pictures of coats on the site yet, but has them)

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That's a fantastic help, Neibelungen, thank you very much. I have been told how much I need etc but as with everything else that goes into my head it goes straight out again!! :lol:

Thanks to everyone for your help. I'm sure out of all that somewhere I shall end up with a fabulous coat! 8)

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There's an American company doing proper fish oil tanned buff, but it's even more expensive. About £15 plus last time.
WArning: if Nige's is anything to go by, this stuff has a distinct odour :D
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Tuppence wrote:
There's an American company doing proper fish oil tanned buff, but it's even more expensive. About £15 plus last time.
WArning: if Nige's is anything to go by, this stuff has a distinct odour :D
S'ok... I haven't got many friends anyway... :lol: :wink:

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That's the sulphides in the oils Clayton's use that give it that smell.

Proper fish oiled tanned buff has a smell simalar to quality chamoise.

Clayton's is the modern equivalent using chemistry rather than traditional methods, hence not having to strip the grain off first.

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Here's one I made from Clayton's leather - lovely heavy stuff but don't think I'll try the sword-proof test!
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were did you get that beauty of a sword in those pics?
bad name choice as no longer a templar ah well
for the morlais instead!

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Its one I made Darrell, spring steel blade and rivetted hilt, a swine to grind! but a great way to pass spare tine.

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ahh it just looked like armourclass but id never seen one before obviously, really nice blade that
bad name choice as no longer a templar ah well
for the morlais instead!

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Thanks Darrell, I posted some pics of work in progress on the 1603 forum, working on some basket hilts and a mortuary at the moment - I like to have several on the go at once - only one is anything like finished. Will put up some more phots soon.

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best of luck really nice looking work
bad name choice as no longer a templar ah well
for the morlais instead!

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