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few more questions about tudor kit...

Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 5:13 pm
by red razors
ok, just a couple of queries about my kit plans if people would be so kind. i don't have enough information readily available before i go cutting it out.

1) i have a tattoo on the back of my neck so i had planned on making a high-necked smock to hide it. i want middling-common; was the high neck associated with a particular class of person, or was it a rare style, or more prevalent? this is for mid to late 1500s or so. along the same lines, i was going to avoid any blackworking on the collar, but would a teeny bit of pleating [NOT a ruff] be too "high-up" for me?

2)i was planning on using this wool for my kirtle: http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i62/r ... C02497.jpg
i know that some blues would be out of my league, so to speak - is this blue too dark?

thanks for any help!! :)

Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 5:18 pm
by Annis
1) A high-necked shift should be fine for Elizabethan, but I don't know when exactly they came into fashion. I have a high-neck shift for peasant, which I've had since I started - 1569. When I say high-neck, it sits around the bottom of my neck.

I'll see if I can post a picture, if that helps!

Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 5:20 pm
by Annis
Oh, and for a peasant, I reckon that blue would be too dark.

To play it safe, until you know more about the colours, stick with browns, greens, and other earthy colours.

Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 5:37 pm
by red razors
i half-figured the wool was out but i was hoping to get away with it :( i have grey that i can use instead.

this is what i mean by high-necked: http://www.elizabethancostume.net/bath/ ... 2front.jpg
nowhere near as fancy, obviously! but the high collar is the bit i am hoping to have.

Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 5:51 pm
by Shadowcat
High necked smock-type garments seem to have become popular (i.e. appear in paintings) around the 1540's, and eventually have frills which appear to develop into fully fledged ruffs. As a "townswoman" I wear a high necked smock under my gown, as I don't want to wear a ruff - I have a scar on my neck which gets uncomfortable when covered.

S.

Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:00 pm
by red razors
ok, i suppose the thing is i am starting from scratch when it comes to a lot of the tudor stuff. besides the tudor tailor [which i have], are there any books people would recommend for me to start with as regards the social/clothing history? i want to look nice [obviously :)] but do not want to start myself off on something too high-status or difficult to make. i have the general plan of smock, decent kirtle, sleeves, waistcoat and accoutrements, some of which i have already.

Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:25 pm
by Sophia
If you are interested in commoner's clothes you could start with the following publications from the Stuart Press.

"Clothes of the Common Woman 1480-1580"
"Clothes of the Common Woman 1480-1580, Part 2, Making the Garments"

Website here.

For images use the Feast at Bermondsey by Hofnaegel and any contempary line drawings (can't remember artists names, sorry :oops: ).

Also look back through the Costume section here as there has recently been a discussion on colours and colour swatches.

Soph :D

Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 11:43 pm
by red razors
thank you, much appreciated!