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Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:17 pm
by Alice the Huswyf
....but phoenix-like, from the ashes there arose http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/

Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:58 pm
by Tuppence
has it's charms in a modern goth fasion not particularly special or new kind of way...
....but phoenix-like, from the ashes there arose http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/
ooh - real fun now...!!!

Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:12 pm
by Shadowcat
My comment was not to be taken seriously :)

S

Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:14 pm
by Annis
Alice the Huswyf wrote:....but phoenix-like, from the ashes there arose http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/
I have an urge to post a picture just to see what they have to say!

Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:18 pm
by RottenCad
Alice the Huswyf wrote:....but phoenix-like, from the ashes there arose http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/
Hmmm - some of these are actually praiseworthy, rather than scorn material ...

Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:19 pm
by ViscontesseD'Asbeau
:lol: Shadowcat, I may well have to divorce Worser Half just to get married again, just to wear that gothic confection..... it has everything really. I think they should institute a fire hazard warning system for these outfits though - from 1 flame = slightly combustible upto, say, 5 flames = don't stand within 50 metres of naked flame.... and that would be a 5 flamer.

Can't believe my favourite website still exists - am looking forward to much timewasting on there. :lol: You're going to get so bored of me doing this:

http://amiperiodornot.myphotoalbum.com/ ... m03&id=aab

Annis beware of posting - I sent Worser Half's picture unbeknownst to him, for a larf, and he was overwhelmed under the welter of elderly American matrons proposing to him.... :lol: We did it in a spirit of sarcasm, but it was taken sooooo seriously! Brilliant fun. But you may end up attracting stalkers. :lol: I feel an urge to buy a domain name coming on.....

Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:28 pm
by Annis
ViscontesseD'Asbeau wrote:Annis beware of posting - I sent Worser Half's picture unbeknownst to him, for a larf, and he was overwhelmed under the welter of elderly American matrons proposing to him.... :lol: We did it in a spirit of sarcasm, but it was taken sooooo seriously! Brilliant fun. But you may end up attracting stalkers. :lol: I feel an urge to buy a domain name coming on.....
:lol: I shall beat them off with a pointy stick - covered in luminous chemical made fabric with goblets hanging off it!!

Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:37 pm
by ViscontesseD'Asbeau

Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:39 pm
by Annis
ViscontesseD'Asbeau wrote:Try this for size:

http://amiperiodornot.myphotoalbum.com/ ... m01&id=aaw
Oh, dear God no, not that one!

Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:48 pm
by Annis
Well, I sent a picture off to them for them to post! :D

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:12 pm
by frances
stop it, stop it immediately!! I have wasted far too much time sniggering at this site.

Trouble is that people do not seem to have taken the trouble to go to a museum and actually look at the quality of the fabric, however much research they do. I have seen people on the internet so proud of their Regency dress (in stiff nylon-lurex net), their late Victorian suit (in thin shiny fabric with wrinkles where there should be none) and so on.

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:47 pm
by ViscontesseD'Asbeau
What it's missing is what the old site had - covert pictures taken not things proudly and lovingly sent in! :lol:

I've just got a really good digital camera and may get horribly tempted later this year.... :wink:

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 12:42 am
by frances
And here is another lady who is very proud of the way she can make copies of items from Victorian ladies magazines. Check out the first dress on the page:

http://www.robinstokes.com/sheer_dresses.htm

goes off whistling, or would if only she could whistle

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 12:53 am
by Tuppence
http://www.robinstokes.com/new_page_28.htm

ye gods, my eyes, my eyes.....

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:10 am
by Hinny Annie
You wont be copying the wedding dress then. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:50 am
by ViscontesseD'Asbeau
I like the second one down - the lovely peach confection. :lol: Reminds me of the lady on the 1970's Quality St tin.

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 12:37 pm
by Calendula
ViscontesseD'Asbeau wrote:I like the second one down - the lovely peach confection.
Mmm - classy. You need sunglasses on though!
:shock:

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:53 pm
by Tuppence
Hinny Annie wrote:You wont be copying the wedding dress then. :lol: :lol: :lol:
erm - no!

I know I have an unusual knack of making things look like they do in pictures, but good lord!

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:20 pm
by lucy the tudor
Peach outfit, scary woman or what?
:oops:
Lucy

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:39 pm
by Annis
She looks like those fruit salad sweets! :?

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:49 pm
by Kate Tiler
Just caught up with this - I think they were unkind to match the lady's skin tone to her fabric :oops: Truly breath taking!

Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:42 am
by Alice the Huswyf
It would have been interesting to have seen these fabrics under normal - not flash - light. Some fabrics glow like radioactive waste under flash!
How far are we from the discovery of Analine dyes at the point she is making up from? One wit of the period said that sitting down to dinner with a girl benefitting from the new colours in fashionable combination could put your digestion off completely.

You can see what she is getting at, but there isn't enough volume in the skirts, while the trimmings are over sized or of the wrong bulk (even allowing for difference in modern and period cloths, I would have scaled down all those roses on the peach dress - her smallest is the size of the largest on the print). And of course, her models are terribly real women who have not been tight-laced half a lifetime.....if she scaled up the trims for plus sizes, it was not a good idea.

Her copy of the Godey illustration ( http://www.robinstokes.com/Silk%20Day%20Dresses.htm - third image down with original opposite) much better than the person who had this go http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1860s-Civil-War-M ... dZViewItem

Bu she's still better than most! My particular favourite is the US dealer in tarted-up vintage sloane balldresses, ( http://stores.ebay.co.uk/FiddleDeeDee-Mercantile - but very, very occassionally with re-enactor cast-offs or even original accessories) although for those of you who don't want to pay import duty, I offer http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AMERICAN-CIVIL-WA ... dZViewItem

Aaaanyway , I have just snabbed me 14 yards of nice repro fabric which means the 10m of linen plaid can be used for something much later (once the curtains are done, the emergency refit for next weekend - etc etc etc). Where shall I hide this lot?

2d - ACW for the evening in November?

Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:36 am
by Cat
Oh good grief, talk about seting yourself up for it...the 'Tudor' page woman in the plaid with the glasses and badges...on AIPON.

That being said, the Kochfrau is excellent.

And Gregory 23b, how many years ago...the cute li'l White Co bowman on the medieval page. Awww...(nb, his kit then is still better than mine is now, but that's by the by!)

It's raining. I have to go out soon. This is great for putting it off!

Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:45 am
by ViscontesseD'Asbeau
Aniline dyes something round about 1861 but that was mauve - dunno how long it took to invent radioactive peach. :lol:

I have some poke-your-eyes out scarlet wool, wasn't gonna use for my new 17thC petticoat as it screamed CHEMICALLLL to me... then I dyed another lot of wool with madder, using tin mordant - looks identical to the one that was screaming chemical.... That said, I got no clue how to make that peach, with natural dyes. Nor would anyone sane want to.

She makes a point somewhere about changing patterns to suit the 'modern' figure... Why? There were fat people in the past - just not in such overwhelming numbers as now. I doubt they wore simplified clothes (apart from Demis Roussos in the 70s but he's different). I saw in Anne Lister's journal from the 1820s or 30s, I think, that a relative died and she was right peed off because she had to buy black bombazine to have mourning clothes made up for the servants and she was moaning because the cook was so fat she took yards more fabric than the other servants.
:lol:

At the vintage clothes fayre in Leeds on Sunday - amongst the dresses (mainly 1950s onwards, the odd earlier thing), one clearly 1850's dress and another that may have been, but on closer inspection had been remounted on machine sewn silk base, and may well have been adapted as a stage costume, I thought, but the basic dress could well be 'the real thing' . Anyone else go there? It was brilliant. I got a whole handful of pure silk thread for about a quid, and a fancily turned bone crochet hook. There was very little there above a size 14, at my guess - not sure if that bears out the fact people were slimmer in the past, or just that people don;t keep unglamorous clothes! Wish I had my own mum's 1940s and 50s dresses still.

Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:06 pm
by Mad Mab
Cat wrote: That being said, the Kochfrau is excellent.
Yes, I thought she was great too. Also liked the Saxon 1530's dress and the venetian lass on the couch with the book. Makes me want to try my hand at german now. There really are some fantastic outfits on there as well as fantastic efforts that don't deserve the 'poor' votes they seem to have received but that tartan one? :shock: The fact that that has votes above 'poor' is a little scary.
Do like the fact that in the scottish gun man and the mediaval scottish spearman (are those Alan from here?), people keep asking if they're going to fight the roundheads :lol: And complaining about it being a bit drab and he should try some brighter brocade and a feather. And I think those may be powder containers or some such (I don't play with guns, does it show :D ) on his belt rather than 'ointment jars showing his daytime occupation' :lol:

Annis, you'll have to let us know when your picture goes up.
mab

Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:06 pm
by Nigel
ViscontesseD'Asbeau wrote:At the vintage clothes fayre in Leeds on Sunday - amongst the dresses (mainly 1950s onwards, the odd earlier thing), one clearly 1850's dress and another that may have been, but on closer inspection had been remounted on machine sewn silk base, and may well have been adapted as a stage costume, I thought, but the basic dress could well be 'the real thing' . Anyone else go there? It was brilliant. I got a whole handful of pure silk thread for about a quid, and a fancily turned bone crochet hook. There was very little there above a size 14, at my guess - not sure if that bears out the fact people were slimmer in the past, or just that people don;t keep unglamorous clothes! Wish I had my own mum's 1940s and 50s dresses still.

NOPE where was it

Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:38 pm
by ViscontesseD'Asbeau
Leeds Town Hall. Beautiful in there, too - worth going to look inside the building. :D

There's another one in Oct or Nov, so I hear - will post date when I get it. It was doing a roaring trade all day - if anyone here buys/sells vintage clothes or likes collecting sewing/craft notions, I'd give it a HUGE recommend!

Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:27 pm
by Alice the Huswyf
...as to small sizes, I expect that anything that could be handed / sold on and worn out or cut about and brought up to date was worn out or scavenged.

The little things that remain are either special or put away for one of the younger kids who grew past it.

I remember before we were re-enactors coming across a late roman group with a lady dyer who had produced every shade and tint under the sun from plants available at the period (the Romans had a wider reach than later periods, of course). Amazing colours!

Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:23 pm
by ViscontesseD'Asbeau
Yes, I was sat a few yards last year from someone in another group who'd just started dyeing, only been at it a few months and was elaborately explaining the sad and boring colours you have to unsuspecting members of the public. I set up after her - so didn't have a chance to chat before I got set up - but after her little thing on how sad and ugly medieval dyes were, the good folk walked another 10 yards and saw the revoltingly bright and hideously vivid actual colours you can get with vegetal dyes. :lol: Never said a thing but I noticed she modified her spiel as the day wore on. :D

Even so, some colours even make me think "ah that's not do-able" - including that weird bright peach - and I'm pretty optimistic/foolhardy/stupid when it comes to what's possible. :lol:

Re. 19thC US costume - I'm guessing the most fashionable stuff must have been imported from Europe, anyway unless you lived back East - and how many people could have afforded it? So the time-lag between what was seen on fashion plates/wherever she's researching... and what people were actually wearing, was probably pretty huge? I know when I lived in the Mid West in the 1990s, they were a good ten years or so behind England. :lol:

Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:53 pm
by Nigel
ViscontesseD'Asbeau wrote:Leeds Town Hall. Beautiful in there, too - worth going to look inside the building. :D

There's another one in Oct or Nov, so I hear - will post date when I get it. It was doing a roaring trade all day - if anyone here buys/sells vintage clothes or likes collecting sewing/craft notions, I'd give it a HUGE recommend!
ThANKS NOW KEEP IT QUITE PLEASE OR SOMEBODY WILL GO AND BUY LOADS