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I am hoping someone on here may be able to help me. I am desperately searching for a pair of court shoes, a la Marie Antoinette, though they do not have to be anywhere near as elaborate. What is important is the very distinctive heel shape, that fans out at the top and bottom and narrows in the middle. I am finding it completely impossible to track down any costumier that has this type of shoe available. For info, I am based in the UK so any supplier you can recommend would have to be willing to ship out here.

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Most shops that sell dance shoes sell a similar shoe to the one you are describing. Also many shops that sell bridal shoes. You could try Anello's, Freed's, Porselli's for starters, all in London. There are also shoe makers listed on various living history sites who make to measure, a pricier option, probably.


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Through another community I got directed to these shoes which seem rather ideal for my purposes, if I can manage to dye them. It leaves my options open to customise them in any way I want.

Any recommendations on the best way to dye silk shoes?
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Zellah wrote:Any recommendations on the best way to dye silk shoes?
Well I used to do ballet for a few years and bought a pair of silk ballet shoes from my local dance shop, who recommended using permanent marker pens to dye them a particular colour. It does seem to work quite well but can take a few coats to get a deep tone.
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Jim wrote:Well I used to do ballet for a few years and bought a pair of silk ballet shoes from my local dance shop, who recommended using permanent marker pens to dye them a particular colour. It does seem to work quite well but can take a few coats to get a deep tone.
What concerns me is that I will be using these for LARP events and therefore be wearing them outside. I'm going to need something that will stand up to a range of weather conditions.
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Jim wrote:Well I used to do ballet for a few years and bought a pair of silk ballet shoes from my local dance shop, who recommended using permanent marker pens to dye them a particular colour. It does seem to work quite well but can take a few coats to get a deep tone.
What concerns me is that I will be using these for LARP events and therefore be wearing them outside. I'm going to need something that will stand up to a range of weather conditions.
Hmmm. I suspect that the moment you get them wet, a percentage of the colour would leak out all over the place....But that would probably be true of any dye. The silk should remain the colour you inked them, though.
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Probably the best system would be to dye them and then run them through a delicate wash in the machine to see how much comes out and get rid of any excess. Unfortunately, I'm requiring a pair of black shoes and the last thing I want is to end up with a dirty grey.
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Zellah wrote:Probably the best system would be to dye them and then run them through a delicate wash in the machine to see how much comes out and get rid of any excess. Unfortunately, I'm requiring a pair of black shoes and the last thing I want is to end up with a dirty grey.
Maybe spraying them with a fabric sealant might help, but I'm clutching at straws now!
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Ask the supplier what they would recommend. I used to dye shoes when I worked in theatre, but that is in the dark ages, and the stuff isn't the same any more. Fabric dyes might well do it, but some of them you have to use really hot, and then the shoes might shrink!

Why don't you get black shoes from a different shop, or one of the ones I suggested will almost certainly do them in leather which is much easier to dye.

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Shadowcat wrote:Ask the supplier what they would recommend. I used to dye shoes when I worked in theatre, but that is in the dark ages, and the stuff isn't the same any more. Fabric dyes might well do it, but some of them you have to use really hot, and then the shoes might shrink!

Why don't you get black shoes from a different shop, or one of the ones I suggested will almost certainly do them in leather which is much easier to dye.

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I am trying to avoid London shoe retailers, especially for leather shoes since my budget just won't stretch to something like that. The upside of going through dance/bridal shoes stores is that shoes tend to be cheaper. The downside is that they are mostly in white/ivory!
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I presume you have tried your local dance wear shop in Beckenham?

and this http://www.ufindus.com/dancewear_and_dance_supplies

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It is a very small shop and exceedingly limited in its range - I popped in there yesterday. It was pretty much tap shoes, ballet slippers and plimsoles.
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I've dyed a pair of canvas baseball boots black (the old 'chuck taylor' type) with the cheapo instant shoe polish stuff that comes in a bottle with an aplicator sponge on top. Surprisingly it worked perfectly on fabric and didn't come off in the wet, although the first time I wore them they stained my toes slightly that came off in the shower. Actualy I still wear black baseball boots for work in summer and top up the colour to keep them smart.

Don't know how it would do on a silky fabric though.
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Morgan Hubbard & Kevin Garlick may be interested / able to help.

Otherwise, Annello & Davide or Baboucha Shoes.

One thing picked up from what you originally wrote, though, you may have been looking for the wrong suplier - you don't need a costumer, you need a shoemaker.
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Or the other option is to re-cover the shoes. Wedding shops will sometimes have them re-covered in a particular fabric to match a dress. It used to be one of those things people did themselves to dress up old shoes.

I think that you just warm the shoe slightly and prize the glued on sole away all the way roung, then glue your fabric in place and tuck it under.

anyway, a 30 second google search on 'shoe covering' shows that people still do this for a hobby and there seem to be 'how to' sites. so covering them in a black fabric might be another way.
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Zellah wrote:Through another community I got directed to these shoes which seem rather ideal for my purposes, if I can manage to dye them. It leaves my options open to customise them in any way I want.

Any recommendations on the best way to dye silk shoes?
Erm... sorry if I'm being rude, but did you notice the bit at the bottom where it says they can be covered in your own fabric? Or is that not an option?
Because there would have to be three of them.

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Theotherone wrote:
Zellah wrote:Through another community I got directed to these shoes which seem rather ideal for my purposes, if I can manage to dye them. It leaves my options open to customise them in any way I want.

Any recommendations on the best way to dye silk shoes?
Erm... sorry if I'm being rude, but did you notice the bit at the bottom where it says they can be covered in your own fabric? Or is that not an option?
It is a tempting option but I'm trying to keep costs down as much as possible and I'm guessing that will add quite a bit to the final price. As a last resort, it's do-able though.
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They also offer to dye them for you, which would possibly work out cheaper in the long run.

http://www.weddingshoesdirect.co.uk/
Because there would have to be three of them.

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Jim? Hussite scum? Ballet? :shock:
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Marcus Woodhouse wrote:Jim? Hussite scum? Ballet? :shock:
Absolutely. I have pics to prove it! Mind you, I do have a bit of a tight legwear fetish :oops: Hence needing decent medieval hose so badly :wink:

And I'm a blue belt in Judo and a Gold Medallist. Go figure!

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"Run them through the machine on a delicate wash..." :shock:

I would be very careful doing this, as I would personally hate to see my hard earned cash falling apart in the machine!

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Dylon do a satin shoe dye http://www.dylon.co.uk/colourcentre/sho ... nchart.htm

I also used Dylon's free service years ago to make a dye to match material I sent to them, it only cost me the price of the dye (normal price for one bottle) and postage. If they still do it that would be your best bet.
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Zellah, What size feet do you have? I have a few pairs of wedding shoes with the correct style heels, to go. And I am only down the road from you.

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I would contact these people, www.np-historicalshoes they make fab shoes mainly 14th century but they are open to all historical suggestions they will be trading at the International Living History Fair, which is there only UK trading event this year, at the moment.

Sorry if I come over as gushing but they are seriously fab, and they are such nice people.

Sorry should be .com on the end :oops:
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"Run them through the machine on a delicate wash..."

I would be very careful doing this, as I would personally hate to see my hard earned cash falling apart in the machine!

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