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Elizabeth Wydeville:the Slandered Queen.

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:57 pm
by Marcus Woodhouse
By Arlene okerlund, Tempus Publishing, ISBN 0752433849. I enjoyed this even more than the last biography of Elizabeth I read. Like Richard III Elizabeth Wydville and her family are really amongst the most maligned characters in British history. I blame that teacherous old git Warwick by the way.

Re: Elizabeth Wydeville:the Slandered Queen.

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:40 pm
by Marcus Woodhouse
Just re-read again in preparation for being confrounted by Ricardian fanatics at Bosworth in a couple of weeks.

Re: Elizabeth Wydeville:the Slandered Queen.

Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:47 pm
by Jim Smith
Thiss book isn't a total whitewash - just the next best thing. Okerlund obviously really wants to rehabilitate Lizzie W from the foul slurs heaped upon her by Ricardian fanatics past and present - but to me she seriously over-eggs the pudding. There's a serious lack of objectivity, which might be explained by the fact that the editor/co-author is none other than Alison 'Richard III was the Ant-Christ' Weir. Weir's anti- Ricardian stance is laughed at by most serious historians (including most anti-Ricardians) as are her deliberate omissions/twisting of the facts that don't fit her story. This book had the potential to be a reasoned exposition of the Woodville side of the story - but not in its existing form.

Re: Elizabeth Wydeville:the Slandered Queen.

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 8:24 am
by Marcus Woodhouse
The Mother of the Princes in the Tower is better, but I have lent that out to someone and can't recall who it was. :cry:

Re: Elizabeth Wydeville:the Slandered Queen.

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 2:34 pm
by GOK
Darn, I saw the title of this and almost got excited....then I read the W word (Weir), and all hopes of an objective and unbiased book were instantly dismissed! Oh well! :roll:

Re: Elizabeth Wydeville:the Slandered Queen.

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:10 pm
by Marcus Woodhouse
Ah but if you read enough of the fanatically pro-Ricardian stuff and then read an equal amount of fanatically anti-Ricardian stuff you end up with an unbiased stance.
Being a republican I hate them all.

Re: Elizabeth Wydeville:the Slandered Queen.

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 9:44 pm
by Jim Smith
Or would it be like matter and anti-matter - total conversion to energy?

Re: Elizabeth Wydeville:the Slandered Queen.

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 9:46 pm
by Jim Smith
Jim Smith wrote:Or would it be like matter and anti-matter - total conversion to energy?
maybe I should keep my copies of the Sun in Splendour and the Princes in the Tower at opposite ends of the bookshelf...

Re: Elizabeth Wydeville:the Slandered Queen.

Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:47 am
by GOK
Jim Smith wrote:
Jim Smith wrote:Or would it be like matter and anti-matter - total conversion to energy?
maybe I should keep my copies of the Sun in Splendour and the Princes in the Tower at opposite ends of the bookshelf...
You mean you don't already? Jeez, how've you not had a serious accident? :lol:

Re: Elizabeth Wydeville:the Slandered Queen.

Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:56 am
by Jim Smith
GOK wrote:
Jim Smith wrote:
Jim Smith wrote:Or would it be like matter and anti-matter - total conversion to energy?
maybe I should keep my copies of the Sun in Splendour and the Princes in the Tower at opposite ends of the bookshelf...
You mean you don't already? Jeez, how've you not had a serious accident? :lol:

Wel, they're separated by the Company of St George Photo album (aka 'The Medieval Soldier') and you may make of that what you will...