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'Fusiliers' by Mark Urban

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:27 pm
by Teagirl
Bargain price right now everywhere, £4.99, so I thought I'd pick it up and have a read.

I can't speak for the accuracy of the research, but the story and the background information is fascinating to me as it has a different approach to the War of Independence (well, we call it that, ok?). Not a lot of surprises but a lot of interesting historical detail.

Re: 'Fusiliers' by Mark Urban

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:55 am
by steve stanley
It's a very good read.....Led me to read further on the southern campaign.
Steve

Re: 'Fusiliers' by Mark Urban

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:08 am
by Teagirl
Cheers, Steve.

I'm working my way through it, and was pleased to see that much of what is presented there follows what I learned in history in the 1960's, with a lot more detail, of course. Glad to hear it's worth the read and not full of Mel Gibson-isms.

Apparently it's set just prior to his book 'Rifles' which runs from 1809 to Waterloo. They're all on sale now, for under £6, so I might have to treat myself to that one too.

Re: 'Fusiliers' by Mark Urban

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:16 am
by steve stanley
'Rifles' is good as well.......Also often found cheap,(And I recommend it highly) is Hugh Bicheno's 'Rebels and Redcoats' Not especially pro-British,but he pulls no punches on dispelling some of the long-held myths about the war.........
Steve

Re: 'Fusiliers' by Mark Urban

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:13 pm
by Teagirl
Thanks for the recommendation, I'll look for that too.

I'm always interested in good reading that is accurate too.

Re: 'Fusiliers' by Mark Urban

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:19 pm
by Sir_John_Thomas
Hmmmm, will have to get this one too, thoroughly enjoyed rifles.

If would also recommend "Redcoat" by Richard Holmes, I found to it be very interesting, and very detailed in some parts.

Re: 'Fusiliers' by Mark Urban

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:30 am
by Mark P.
This one is also worth a recommendation although not cheap.
With Zeal and and with Bayonets Only
http://livinghistory.co.uk/forums/viewt ... 24&t=17974

Re: 'Fusiliers' by Mark Urban

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:09 pm
by Teagirl
Thanks.

Just past the battle of Breed's Hill, making note of the issue of friendly fire for the next time someone starts a thread about 'only in America'... oddly, it was IN America but not the Americans, as such.

Re: 'Fusiliers' by Mark Urban

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:46 pm
by steve stanley
I think Breed's hill is one of the classic 'The side that makes least cock-ups carries the day'..........

Re: 'Fusiliers' by Mark Urban

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:37 am
by Teagirl
steve stanley wrote:I think Breed's hill is one of the classic 'The side that makes least cock-ups carries the day'..........
Doesn't that apply to most battles, really?

Now working my way past the Brandywine.

We went to the New England area many (many, many) years ago, and during part of the trip, we drove through Valley Forge (now a National Park), which was full of very small tents. Seems it was the year the Boy Scouts held their Jamboree there, but it was very surreal to be driving through the area where Washington's army was camped, with all those hundreds and hundreds of tents.

Re: 'Fusiliers' by Mark Urban

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 1:11 pm
by steve stanley
Think I made an error when we went to Williamsburg & I cheered for the Redcoats occupying the town............ :wink:
Steve

Re: 'Fusiliers' by Mark Urban

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 1:31 pm
by Teagirl
steve stanley wrote:Think I made an error when we went to Williamsburg & I cheered for the Redcoats occupying the town............ :wink:
Steve
Well, it's probably the same reason I don't have a 4th of July party here. :)

Re: 'Fusiliers' by Mark Urban

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:39 pm
by steve stanley
Teagirl wrote:
steve stanley wrote:Think I made an error when we went to Williamsburg & I cheered for the Redcoats occupying the town............ :wink:
Steve
Well, it's probably the same reason I don't have a 4th of July party here. :)
Have one!...I've got the tin whistle & Drum...We just need the flag............

Re: 'Fusiliers' by Mark Urban

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:02 am
by Teagirl
steve stanley wrote:
Teagirl wrote:
steve stanley wrote:Think I made an error when we went to Williamsburg & I cheered for the Redcoats occupying the town............ :wink:
Steve
Well, it's probably the same reason I don't have a 4th of July party here. :)
Have one!...I've got the tin whistle & Drum...We just need the flag............
'Don't Tread on Me'?

So many flags, so little time.

Re: 'Fusiliers' by Mark Urban

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:08 pm
by Redders
Mark P. wrote:This one is also worth a recommendation although not cheap.
With Zeal and and with Bayonets Only
http://livinghistory.co.uk/forums/viewt ... 24&t=17974
If anyone wants a copy of this?
A friend is selling one, as new, £20.00.

I can drop it off at TORM on Sat.

Re: 'Fusiliers' by Mark Urban

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:44 pm
by Teagirl
Only if they swap for beads!

I'm finding it fascinating how much the British army was altered by the circumstances of the nature of the war in the colonies and how the new Continental Army was affected and shaped by the changes in the British army.

Re: 'Fusiliers' by Mark Urban

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:37 pm
by steve stanley
It was an on-going thing...A lot of the techniques were tried in the French and Indian War,(my period),having been leant from both the Enemy & the Colonial Rangers..........Despite getting some of the blame for defeat in the AWI(Wait til you get to the end of the book....),they resurfaced to form the basis for light infantry/Rifles in the Napoleonic period...Of course,the author really needs to do a F&I title to complete the story......... :)
Steve

Re: 'Fusiliers' by Mark Urban

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:04 pm
by Teagirl
steve stanley wrote:It was an on-going thing...A lot of the techniques were tried in the French and Indian War,(my period),having been leant from both the Enemy & the Colonial Rangers..........
Yes, but it seems to have accelerated by the time of 'Rifles', out of necessity, I'm sure. Having learned very little of the British side of things, it's proving fascinating. I am amazed at the amount of political wrangling and influence-peddling, as well as the sale of officer positions. I note that there's an example of the officers doing a medieval re-enactment of a joust, too.
Despite getting some of the blame for defeat in the AWI(Wait til you get to the end of the book....),they resurfaced to form the basis for light infantry/Rifles in the Napoleonic period...Of course,the author really needs to do a F&I title to complete the story......... :)
Someone had to get the blame, of course!

I think the idea of the F&I book would be fantastic. It's definitely a time period I'm interested in. I'm also interested in the earlier explorations of the voyageurs, my brother-in-law has ties to several of them, and the area I grew up in was very much part of that time period, which is reflected in a lot of the names in Wisconsin.

I have to say, though, that 'Rifles' has equalled 'I, Claudius' as the ideal sleep-inducing read. Can't make more than 20 pages before lights out! It's not the quality of the writing, can't say why but it's better than sleeping tablets.

Re: 'Fusiliers' by Mark Urban

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:31 pm
by steve stanley
I have friends in Wisconsin who do early French....In fact,I 'changed sides' last year & now do French Militia myself.....
Steve

Re: 'Fusiliers' by Mark Urban

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:15 pm
by Redders
steve stanley wrote:I have friends in Wisconsin who do early French....In fact,I 'changed sides' last year & now do French Militia myself.....
Steve
And you're gonna pay.....................................................................................ROYALLY!

Re: 'Fusiliers' by Mark Urban

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:33 pm
by steve stanley
Vive le Roi!.................. :) .....Never mind,I haven't decided which side I'm doing at Derby yet......Wanna hire any government militia...??

Re: 'Fusiliers' by Mark Urban

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:07 pm
by Teagirl
steve stanley wrote:I have friends in Wisconsin who do early French....In fact,I 'changed sides' last year & now do French Militia myself.....
Steve
Nice. Do they help you pronounce the more 'interesting' place names? I like Kinnikinnickicnnicick but it's like bananananannanana, I never know when to stop spelling it.

Where in Wisconsin are your friends?

ps, Redders, don't forget to stop by for your special bead.

Re: 'Fusiliers' by Mark Urban

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:19 pm
by steve stanley