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Post by Martin Cowley »

What a bloody fiasco, you really had to be there to believe just how sh*te it was, zero organisation (though nice loos) ,didnt speak/see an organisor at all, except after being there for ages waiting to be told where to pitch, found an orgainor who instantly passed me on to a minion ,pleasant enough and helpful but had no idea where we were meant to be or where our electric hook up was,first night no catering open at all though the bloody great generator was chundering along ALL NIGHT lighting 4 HUGE spotlights on a burger /market area that was closed !!!!catering shut at 5pm on saturday, beer tent up at the plastic campsite miles away, a 120 person pavilion, they bloody knew there was a minimum of 2500 SK and many many more reenactors coming, beer was cans of lager,fosters etc £2.50 per can !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (next to the other market that 99% of the reenactors used , so hardly anyone came down to the "main"market, HUGE site with no signs directing anyone anywhere , all in all the worst show we have attended yet that had sooooo much potential cos there was alot of public but they didnt know where the market was etc , ,
aaaaaaaaaah thats better, just had to have a rant there, this is one of the worst seasons we have had , the weather keeping mops away etc, just very very p*ssed of at mo :lol:

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So how would you go about making it better next year?

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first of, get a trader to show them how to arrange a market for a start, I suppose some people may think a convolute snake like positioning with tents all facing different ways, spread over a massive area may look interesting and attractive, but its totaly impractical, also only have one market on a site not 2, and, erm, when you arrive be met by someone designated to sorting out the market, we were there for a couple of hours before we found someone, I really got the feeling that the market was a convenient backdrop to fill a large area cos of our tents :?

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Looking at time of your initial posting, and knowing where you live and where the event was, I'd say you left rather before the official close.

As for good advice or listening to anyone, I doubt it. They obtained lots of good advice under false pretences and then (apparently!) failed to take much of it on board.

No evening catering, and cans at £2.50 will not have endeared them to the re-enactors, and the market shambles will not do anything to encourage traders to go back, or to try it once word gets round.

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we left at about 11am, some of the traders left on the saturday night .

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I can only echo what Martin has said.
There are certain basic things that we have come to expect at an event, not unreasonably I would say.

While we were there, apart from the person who showed us where to pitch on Friday evening, we had no further contact with any organizer at all. Facilities very haphazard. The person that showed us where to set up seemed to be about Sat am as well, did not see any others. At 6:30 the control centre deserted.

Toilets locked Satuday AM although may have been opened up later? Even to fetch water was a fair old walk. Traders having to move as the show opened, no signs directing people around the event, little evidence of signs outside the event that I saw. Catering very limited. I feel that little care was taken to look after the re-enactors or traders. Certainly did not feel as if we to work in partnership with the organizers.

As Martin has said so much potential but so little realization!
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The "mini market" was out of the way, Ruth one of the Trolls Bottom barmaids "sweet, gentle soul, with a viscious tounge" had spent a little time at the food stalls by the "bar" and didn't spot me until 16:00 on Sunday.

The original market site was unsuitable due to wet stuff, more thought could have gone into the new layout

The bar staff were miserable and were my best salesmen, the drawback with large "professional" bar services is that they have no respect for their customers and think they can get away with charging £2.50 for a can of Fosters.

The annoying thing is I had 14 barrels of real beer sat in my garage

The food option was soooo expensive I opted to cook
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we left at about 11am, some of the traders left on the saturday night .


:shock:


Toilets locked Satuday AM


:shock: :shock:

£2.50 for a can of Fosters.


:shock: :shock: :shock:


I've been to some crappy events in my time, but...

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
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And the organisers wouldn't come out of the event control tower, not even for little 5ft me, what could I possibly do to them. :lol:
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So what you are saying Cowley despite the marketing of the 'best event in history ever ever ever' it was not?

Thanks for the update, although I can't do many markets that might be one I shall save for when I have hte luxury of time and spare cash to punt. Shame you had a crappy time of it.

"And the organisers wouldn't come out of the event control tower, not even for little 5ft me, what could I possibly do to them. Laughing"

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It says on there leaflet and I quote "on July 14th the ground will tremble be there"

Yeah well Big Blokes locked themselves in the upstairs room of the control tower when I was on the stairs. Yes I agree I was ranting a tiny bit, but they wouldn't even talk to the estate staff who were very reasonable. Carnt say if they were trembling or not but they wouldn't come out, eventually a young lad came and offered us our stall fee back he was the only person any of the traders saw (that I am aware of).

My advise to you Jorge is dont go to anything they organise EVER.

Even the public were going mad there were several arenas and no one knew where they were. I spent saturday directing MOPS to the toilets for Gods sake. We were one of the traders who came home on Saturday night. This was the first time ever I have left a show in 15 years for re-enactment. Andreas is still ranting about it, for those that dont know him that is very very bad he hardly ever looses his temper

My daughters roared with laughter when we got home. Good job they weren't having a party. :lol:
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And another thing we had to move our pitch on Saturday Morning. Good job I'm the cool calm and collected type or I might just have lost it.
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could i just re-iterate that this had nothing to do with conquest the re-enactment group whatsoever :lol:
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Can I also add that we're not a building society or furniture removals business!

Sounds cr@p...

I must admit we've attended a few events where the organisers p**s off as soon as the light fades and you have no idea where, what who, when and why... and so you pitch your tents only to have some assistant assistant geek dropping by at 9:00am telling you that you have to move them.

We've been lucky this year, in that the organisers have been very much on hand at every event we've rolled up at.

Colchester was a fine example, Event Plan were there to greet, meet & smooth things over into the wee small hours (despite being let down on a few things themselves), that was appreciated.
Canterbury City Council were pretty good too (A representative was there & we were assured access to facilities whatever the hour).
Detling's always damn good on the organisation front, the stewards are many and visible.
As for EH - what would we do without Griff, Strumpet & crew!?

The common denomiator? Events that are co-ordinated/managed by experienced re-enactors seem to be less hassle generally in my opinion.

We don't expect to be pampered... but a little bit of meet/greet good communication and access to clean water, a bit of firewood & bogs are the basics.
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"Can I also add that we're not a building society or furniture removals business!"

Do you do metalwork, silver type stuff?

Also did you get my pm re feathers?

ditto colchester, even though I was too stupid to read the WO and note the meals were included, ah so what I wanted to cook for the sprog in any case.
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Feathers?

Yep, the chap you want is Tony & he's in Switzerland at the moment - buggering about with a particle accellerator. He may be back for Kelmarsh.

He'll never get over his new nickname - Swiss Tony!!!!
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Fletching is like making love to a beautiful woman....
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So what you are saying Cowley despite the marketing of the 'best event in history ever ever ever' it was not?
NOT SAYING OWT REALY, CEPT THIS FORUM COULD BE A VERY GOOD WAY TO PASS ON BAD ORGANISORS DETAILS (pm ONLY LOL) AND ALSO GOOD ONES TO WATCH OUT FOR (aw cock caps on),
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gregory23b wrote:Fletching is like making love to a beautiful woman....


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Can I also add that we're not a building society or furniture removals business!

really?

and how many re-enactment events have those two companies been involved in lately??

and how many people have assumed that you're involved in the running of them??

the point isn't the name. the point is the area of business.
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Tuppence wrote:
Dan of Britannia wrote:Can I also add that we're not a building society or furniture removals business!

really?


Yeah, really?

You mean I don't have my mortgage with you, Dan?

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the arenas weren't much better. Thanks to the vike from Draum Broeder for unplugging a speaker that was for another event in another arena, that completely overode everything we were doing...

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Fox - Look I'm trying to keep the interest rates down but it's bloody difficult at the moment. now if you'll excuse me I have to go an shift a sofa!
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Dan of Britannia wrote:Fox - Look I'm trying to keep the interest rates down but it's bloody difficult at the moment


Well then stop encouraging Katy to wear the leather bikini! :lol:

not that she needs any encouragement of course! :lol:
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well theuy certainly have no re-enactment experience. the weather in the run up and into the event was a huge factor. ONe of the big problems they had was the amount of attention the SK caravan and camping club needed - the bar was provided through them- and anyone not in the SK had a problem getting on the plastic site. they need to learn about signage and having people on hand to sort out pitches etc- it needs laying out, it looked good on computer though! it has the potential to be a great event
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Shame it was called 'conquest' though, very ill thought out.

Most people will (hopefully) realise that the two are not related!

(I understand that Debs has had to field more than one call to do with this & whilst it calls itself Conquest we would certainly refuse to be associated with it... as I'm sure, would many other groups that have worked with & like Conquest).

I spoke to my solicitor Mr Priestly regarding copyright & identity some years ago, when some joker started to use similar corporate i.d. & logos to ours in relation to a Live Role Playing event near us.
He withered away when he got a letter though, Mr Priestly was a scary man.
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Dan of Britannia wrote:....many other groups that have worked with & like Conquest


People like Conquest?
Well, I suppose Nigel is quite "nice".

:lol:

oh, I really am the funniest man in these socks.

BTB: I completely agree with Dan; you'll never see us at an event with Conquest in the title unless it's organised by, or at least with the blessing of, the society of the same name.

Subtitles for the hard of thinking: I really like conquest; they are all warm and fuzzy. This does not mean I don't enjoy taking the p!ss..

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"Well, I suppose Nigel is quite "nice". "

Except when bawling out the German archery captain at Hastings last year, for trying to maneuver us like Frederick the Great's Prussians, his bellow woke me up so it did.

"I really like conquest; they are all warm and fuzzy. This does not mean I don't enjoy taking the p!ss.."

What a creep. :wink:
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Conquest sometimes seem to be worried that they have a reputation for being "not nice".

I can only speak from experience and say that when I gate-crashed their event they were absolutely lovely to me. And I think they're a really quality and professional outfit.

In addition, I've never heard a single soul ever say anything bad about them.

However, re-enactment being what it is, someone is bound to be holding a grudge somewhere. If they ever say anything to me, then they might go home with their teeth in a bag. It's not that everyone isn't entitled to an opinion, but the opinion they are specifically entitled to is mine.

Unlike Nigel, I am "not nice".

But given their gentle sensibilities, and in case someone had actually heard those scurrilous rumours, I thought I should be entirely clear that I was "just joshing".

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the bar was provided through them- and anyone not in the SK had a problem getting on the plastic site
are you sure it was set up by the SK ? we were told (by the elusive organisors) it was a beer tent for all, If it was just set up by the SK im sure they would have made a far better job of it, a 120 capacity tent when you know there will be at least 2500 sk turning up lol, , it was dead easy getting into the plastic site, even with a kilt and red mohawk :twisted: , lottsa SK on the gate but all very friendly, even the lady who wanted to see what was under my kilt LOL, and i bet it was murder trying to leave theo plastic, it was like glastonbury on the saturday night :lol:

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