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Hussite Armour

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 2:17 pm
by Skevmeister
Hello you dirty heretic hussite mercenary Scum (him Myk, Andrea and Dickie in particular)

I want to make Craig some gauntlets and obviously since you have converted him into some sort of hussite scum, I would like to make a pair that fit in with that particular sort of kit list (he wants right fingered,left gauntlet)

Can you point me to/have pcitures of/ or references of armour that these mercenarys would have used, or what region they would have favoured for their armour.

Cheers

Skev

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 2:40 pm
by Dickie
Ok

[dons Flak jacket]

Being fully prepared to be shot to pieces, IMHO there is very little difference between what a Hussite Mercenary (no mention of Bohemian there you notice) might wear in the Mid C15th in the way of armour, and what any other mercenary/MaA might wear in the same period.

I do however have a few things which might be of interest. PM me your eMail address and I will scan a few things in and mail them over...

[dons larger Flak jacket over the other one]

IMHO (again) racial differences are more likely to be obvious in modes of 'soft' kit and weapons, and of course language...

[dons yet another larger Flak jacket over the other 2]

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 2:48 pm
by MJ
Just to add to what Dickie says, of the five crusades against the Hussites at least 2 (I think it's 2, can't be a*sed to go look it up) had a military presence from a number of European countries including England. So, if it was on the field and of no more use to the current wearer... :twisted:

Er... does that make us Hussite mercenaries early proponents of recycling?

Now pass me some of those flak jackets over! :lol:

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 2:57 pm
by Dickie
Cardinal Beaufort led 3 and 4 I believe, one of these was never engaged in battle. 'Cos it fled before the Hussite forces took the field against them.

I also remember reading somewhere, a while ago, that early on in the uprising Zizka captured a supply train carrying arms and armour...

Remember also, that enshrined in the Articles of the Hussites is the sharing of ALL spoils of war. There is much evidence to believe that these Articles were adhered to quite strictly.

However, we are not neccesarily talking of Hussites of the Hussite Wars, we are talking of the sons and grandsons of these people some 40-50 years removed from the original uprisings and now no longer in their home country. Bands of Hussite Mercenaries and Hussite led Mercenary Bands are recorded all across Europe after Lipany in 1434.

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:07 pm
by craig1459
Unfortunately my pesky firewall prevents me from seeing ought but here's some soldiers from the Hussite period - c1420 -in a Bohemian painting
Can't recall if there's any gauntlets visible

http://www.livinghistory.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4367

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:11 pm
by Dickie
Ah...looks like The Emporers New Gauntlets to me...

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:02 am
by Marcus Woodhouse
Well at least you're sticking to your beliefs, now pass me a torch for it is time you die for them! "Cheer up heretic swine. Oh what can it be to bea sad bunch of Hussites driven from your own countreeee!"

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:09 am
by Dickie
Marcus Woodhouse wrote:Well at least you're sticking to your beliefs, now pass me a torch for it is time you die for them! "Cheer up heretic swine. Oh what can it be to bea sad bunch of Hussites driven from your own countreeee!"


Come and have a go, papist slave! Many have tried, all have died.

Driven from our own country, by fellow Hussites fawning at the feet of the Pope on his throne of Gold and Blood.

GOTT MITT UNS !!!

When are you popping our way for practice Marcus..?

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:14 am
by craig1459
Marcus Woodhouse wrote:Well at least you're sticking to your beliefs, now pass me a torch for it is time you die for them! "Cheer up heretic swine. Oh what can it be to bea sad bunch of Hussites driven from your own countreeee!"

I think we need to discuss this Marcus - you can have a seat on our campfire at Blore :twisted:

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:19 am
by Marcus Woodhouse
Ah come on its a catchy little song is it not?

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:25 am
by Marcus Woodhouse
As soon as I get meself a job and the money to pay for the fuel and medical costs I'll come along for a bash Dickie. Thats fuel to get there by the way not fuel for the cleansing fires.

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:34 am
by Dickie
In which case, best of luck in job hunting.

As for medical costs, we could always claim you were a MoP viewing and then also claim it was an "accident".

"Honestly officer he just kinda slipped and fell into the assorted pile of swords, axes, daggers, spears, maces, bills, pole-axes, hammers and flails, really he did...then of course the half-dozen or so guys in mixed plate and chain rushed over to help him and slipped on the floor and all kind of fell on him at the same time from different directions...What burning stake outside? No that's nothing to do with us, sir..." :twisted:

See, very plausible, I'd be convinced as a judge...

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:43 am
by Marcus Woodhouse
I'm laughning too much to hit you. You'll have to run onto me sword yourself. Stay well omae.

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 1:00 pm
by Lord Byron
Dickie wrote:
GOTT MITT UNS !!!



Need any socks then? :twisted:

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 1:48 pm
by Meg
Have been lurking, but this is far too funny to ignore.

Dickie, I just luuurve it when you go all religious-fanatical on us :lol:

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 1:58 pm
by Dickie
Meg wrote:Have been lurking, but this is far too funny to ignore.

Dickie, I just luuurve it when you go all religious-fanatical on us :lol:


Ok then I'll add that to my seminar on how to ravish women on the field, thinking of adding a "How to fill in trenches" lesson as well... :twisted:

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:05 pm
by Chris, yclept John Barber
Skevmeister said: "He wants right fingered,left gauntlet"

But didn't you hear the loud slogan:


GOTT MITT UNS !!!

So Hussites didn't use fingered gauntlets... only mittens. :D



Slinks off behind tumbleweed...

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:23 pm
by Dickie
Chris, yclept John Barber wrote:Slinks off behind tumbleweed...


Just jump into the trench with the others mate, will fill it in when it's half-full...

Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 9:31 am
by MJ
Reporting for trench filling duty... would you all climb in now so's I can get started? And please leave items of value to one side, including armour, that way Craig will gets a nearly-new pair of gauntlets immediately.

Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:30 am
by Skevmeister
My god, don't leave the trench half full fill it all lets GOD Sort them out.

Skev
:evil: :twisted: :shock: :x

Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 11:14 am
by Wayland2002
Dickie wrote:GOTT MITT UNS !!!


According to Dickie the correct design seems to be "God's Mittens"

Skev, copy Fletch's guantlets, they are the design that Craig wants.

Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 11:54 am
by Alan_F
Dickie wrote:I also remember reading somewhere, a while ago, that early on in the uprising Zizka captured a supply train carrying arms and armour...


Dickie, the thing about that is would the same arms and armour have been in use much later? Given wear and tear (not to mention people dying) how much of the original hoard would have survived?

It's also worth noting that those who fought as mercenaries would have their armour bought for them by their employer: A mercenary may have along time between jobs and why go to the trouble and expense of looking after a suit of armour when you can make money by selling it?

Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:11 pm
by craig1459
Wayland2002 wrote:Skev, copy Fletch's guantlets, they are the design that Craig wants.

Not entirely - Fletch's are great but look a bit later than I am looking at (1440s-1460s)
The Skevmeisters are coming over next week so I can compare notes between pints

Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 7:15 pm
by Dickie
Alan_F wrote:Dickie, the thing about that is would the same arms and armour have been in use much later? Given wear and tear (not to mention people dying) how much of the original hoard would have survived?

It's also worth noting that those who fought as mercenaries would have their armour bought for them by their employer: A mercenary may have along time between jobs and why go to the trouble and expense of looking after a suit of armour when you can make money by selling it?


True, but it does depend on what you are portraying. Also bear in mind that there was a lot of work for mercenary companies in mainland Europe in the mid-late C15th.

Furthermore, I would suggest supplied rather than bought.

Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 9:26 pm
by Alan_F
Dickie wrote:
Alan_F wrote:Dickie, the thing about that is would the same arms and armour have been in use much later? Given wear and tear (not to mention people dying) how much of the original hoard would have survived?

It's also worth noting that those who fought as mercenaries would have their armour bought for them by their employer: A mercenary may have along time between jobs and why go to the trouble and expense of looking after a suit of armour when you can make money by selling it?


True, but it does depend on what you are portraying. Also bear in mind that there was a lot of work for mercenary companies in mainland Europe in the mid-late C15th.

Furthermore, I would suggest supplied rather than bought.


I would go with supplied as well, although I dare say that there were (very rich) exceptions to this rule.

I suppose that some might have retained their armour, but the added cost of maintaining and transporting it from place to place would, I think, have made many sell it.

Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 9:44 pm
by Marcus Woodhouse
And there are written accounts of armourers buying back their own armour at a discount rate at the end of campaigning seasons (at least there are in Italy.)