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Milanese?

Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 11:28 pm
by Boaty
Hi all, just a quick question about wotr period, when people refer to Milanese style armour, I assume this style is from Milan? Stupid question but back then what exactly was Milan? Country, province or city state? I can't find anything to help, so any insight is appreciated. Cheers

Re: Milanese?

Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:19 am
by Simon Atford
Milan was a city-state. In the 14th and 15th centuries it was as Dukedom by the Visconti family.

Re: Milanese?

Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:38 pm
by Marcus Woodhouse
The Sforza dynasty ruled it for much of the 15th century. As a Contada it was bordered by the Serene Republic (Venice), Florence, Savoy (which was strictly a part of France), Austria and the Holy Roman Empire.

Re: Milanese?

Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:51 pm
by Simon Atford
Milanese armour often comes up in discussions at our events. Would it be true to say that the late C14th was the hey day for the city's armouers?

Re: Milanese?

Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:53 pm
by Colin Middleton
As far as I was aware, Milan remained a powerhouse of armour manufacture for the whole of the 15th C. However the Milanese style of armour wasn't that fashionable in northern Europe during the 15th C (but then the German styles weren't that popular outside the Empire). Milan dealt with this by manufacturing 'export' styles of armour, which featured characteristics popular in Germany, England, France, etc. As far as know, the German armourers didn't pursue this export market, presumably having enough custom within the Empire.

Colin

Re: Milanese?

Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:46 pm
by Boaty
Thanks for all the feed back chaps, what was the most favoured type of helm worm with this type of armour?

Re: Milanese?

Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 10:02 am
by Marcus Woodhouse
Armet, but it is not an easy helmet for re-enactment.

Re: Milanese?

Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:08 am
by Boaty
Why not?

Re: Milanese?

Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:29 pm
by Mark Griffin
Only just seen this thread. In modern museum and re-enactment terms 'milanese' rather tends to stretch to the other manufacturing city states, Turin, Florence etc and often as a catch-all for 'italian'.

Barbutes popular, armets the same. Armets offer fantastic protection bit limited vision. Fine if you don't give a stuff who you hit to front left and right but not much good other wise. Most of us consider them the minimum standard for mounted combat as the way the visor works in conjunction with a wrapper is safer than the sallet/bevor combination.

Re: Milanese?

Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 11:51 pm
by Boaty
Have they got worse vision than a visored salet and bevor? Can't be that much worse surely?

Re: Milanese?

Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 7:48 pm
by Strickland
As I mentioned mate and as mentioned here earlier on, better for horse, not too good for foot, especially for what you want to do!!

Neil

Re: Milanese?

Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 11:12 am
by Adam R
Boaty wrote:Have they got worse vision than a visored salet and bevor? Can't be that much worse surely?

If it fits well, the vision is about as rubbish as a sallet. But once you're in, you're in, there's no popping the visor up for a gander or (more importantly) a breath of air or gulp of water. At least, not without a good bit of fiddling at best. Sallets for foot, armets for horse IMO.

Re: Milanese?

Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 5:45 pm
by Mark Griffin
But once you're in, you're in, there's no popping the visor up for a gander



You just lift the visor up... they have a raising pin on the right hand side. They don't have a sprung locking mechanism like some sallets.

This one by will west for example

http://www.englyshe-plate-armourie.co.uk/Images/PastProj%20Images/Italian/1440Armet/images/1440%20Armet%2002_jpg.jpg

This one of HVIII's doesn't have one but doesn't need it. Its designed for use with a wrapper and it fits snugly inside. I own a good copy by Mark Vickers and ride in it lots. Popping my visor up for a gander is no problem. but I'm still happy to take frontal impacts.

http://www.hrp.org.uk/Assets/Armet%20%28asset%29.jpg

Re: Milanese?

Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 5:54 pm
by Mark Griffin
and more...

http://www.metmuseum.org/collections/search-the-collections?&what=Armets&deptids=4&pg=1

can't get enough Armets and spent hours with my face glued up to these chaps in Jan... yummy.