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What's wrong with the movie U97?

Postby shade » Tue Aug 23, 2005 11:16 am

Non rant factual answers with sources please


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Postby Panzerman » Tue Aug 23, 2005 1:38 pm

The Americans who captured it found it difficult to crew and operate because -
(best line in the film!)

"All the controls are in GERMAN!"

How lame!!!!!!

source: The film soundtrack!!!!

This effectively sets the whole tone of the movie! CRAP. Fact.


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Postby Crooked Nose » Tue Aug 23, 2005 3:59 pm

May I ask, is there a new film out called U97, or do you mean U571?


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Postby shade » Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:16 pm

Crooked Nose wrote:May I ask, is there a new film out called U97, or do you mean U571?


my mistook :oops: you got it right


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Postby Crooked Nose » Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:59 pm

Well, as a piece of film and something to fill in the time, it was ok. But for accuracy, zilch. The makers even had to add the extra text at the end because so many were up in arms about it. The only thing I have on the real U571 is the captains name (KptLt Moehlmann) and that it was part of an attack group on convoy TM-1 in 1942. Funnily enough, while that attack was going on, Bletchley park lost the ability to read enigma signals for two days because Doenitz ordered a code change, exactly what happened in the film 'Enigma'. As for U571 (the film), its only appeal is for cliched hollywood action (sacrifice for the crew, daring escape, big bangs, etc).


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Postby Sani » Mon Nov 21, 2005 4:51 pm

And the fact that the yanks never did capture an enigma off a U-boot.....

That bullets do no damage to the controls they seemingly flew into....

A German cruiser looked exactly like an American one.....

In fact I'll stop...its total fiction. Who's up for a Das Boot session?


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Postby El gone to Cid » Wed Dec 07, 2005 1:54 pm

Crooked Nose here.
Actually, I think they did capture part of an enigma but I need to do some digging. U505 in the Chicago museum of Science was captured with one after the captain 'forgot' to open the sea-cocks to scuttle it upon capture off bermuda.


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Postby Guest » Fri Dec 09, 2005 12:59 am

As far as my rather hazy memroy serves me, Britain had an enigma machine near the start of the war that had been smuggled out of Poland. Having the machine was one thing, cracking the code was quite another. The real downfall of the enigma code wasn't the yanks capturing something we already had, but the germans using the same call up code twice at the beginning of the message. That and a bloody huge amount of work by the Bletchly Park lot. Computers wouldn't have been what they are without them. Grrr.



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Postby colonelboris » Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:48 pm

sorry, read 'colonelboris' for guest on that last one.
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Postby El gone to Cid » Sat Dec 10, 2005 12:10 am

Correct colonel. After the very first enigma was cracked way back in 1931 by a polish geezer, it 'conveniently' made its way here, by which time the enigma had developed somewhat.
To clarify my post, the americans never captured any part of an enigma that we did not already have.(god, they'll try anything).


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Postby colonelboris » Sat Dec 10, 2005 9:55 pm

It was orginally invented for the German Railway network, who used it for a while before anyone realised how bloody clever it really was.

And in case anyone was wondering (several people who know me have asked), colonelboris is not some pretension to an army rank, but a character from James Bond. He's the KGB officer who brainwashes Bond and persuades him to kill M in 'The Man With The Golden Gun'. So there.


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Postby El gone to Cid » Mon Dec 12, 2005 12:33 pm

Can I just add that I recently found this site on the net. It just about is the most comprehensive site on u-boats I have seen. Enjoy

http://www.uboat.net/index.html


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Postby Ayliffe's Steve » Mon Dec 19, 2005 3:35 pm

He's the KGB officer who brainwashes Bond and persuades him to kill M in 'The Man With The Golden Gun'.


I remember that part - that is a very good book. ISTR The film handled the plot very differently.


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Postby matlot » Tue Dec 27, 2005 8:51 pm

right das boot next


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Postby Lord Marshal(Rich) » Sun Jan 01, 2006 10:21 pm

Just read this thread.
The actual sub captured by the BRITISH was named U570 not U571.
This was pointed out to me by my gran as my grandad was a submariner in wwII and brought the sub back to english docks with a skeleton crew.
In fact they were nearly bombed by an RAF bomber.
The sub then had all the instuctions changed to english and a crew(not my grandad) were sent out then, to run with the wolf packs.



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Postby El gone to Cid » Mon Jan 02, 2006 7:40 am

LM: I don't think anyone said U571 was captured by the Brits. The real one was bombed the crap out of in '43 off Ireland.
Interesting story about your gramps though. Stories like that need detailing for future records. It's what i've been doing with my old man. Apparently, apart from driving tanks, he was also detailed to guard german prisoners of war when they stopped off in britain on the way to the US. We couldn't spare the food to feed them so they got sent stateside. He used to swap cigarettes with the prisoners for anything they had to trade with. I now have a 1941 halfpenny with the ship on the back, painted in 'hard' paint (enamel?), red white and blue that he had traded. Dad even remembered the name of the prisoner, and his home town in Germany, that he got it from. He ended up with loads of boots, clothes etc but mam gave them all to the raggy without realising what profit the old man could have made with them. He weren't too chuffed.


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