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teutonic banner 1222?

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 5:59 pm
by teutonic knight
dose anyone know the actual battle banner used by the teutonic knights in 1222, I have found loads of diffrent banners but none of them are overly spercific on when they were used. if anyone could offer some insite into this it would be most usefull. was it just a back cross on white or was there more detail to it?

I hope to hear from you all soon.

Gavin.

:)

Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:01 am
by Medicus Matt
As the order still exists and presumably keeps extensive records, why not ask them directly?

Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 4:26 pm
by Grymm
I know it's from 1422 but did you hav' ein fleicher at this topic?
http://livinghistory.co.uk/forums/viewt ... ht=#258712
Seems the boxhe.... those nice teutons carried their own banners.

The link again
http://www.laborunion.lt/memorandum/ru/ ... Pindex.htm
At the bottom of the page are boxes primus to quintus hit one of them an it should take you to a page of pretty boxheadbannerythings.

Re: teutonic banner 1222?

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:21 am
by Andreas
Have a look at http://www.milites-theutonici.de
This is my old group in Germany. They reenact Teutonic Order 1223.

To our knowledge the correct field banner would either be the black cross on white, or for elevated stations the black cross with the golden cross of Jerusalem overlaid (as shown on the website). The famous "Grand Masters Banner" including the Imperial Eagle on a heartshield appears only a few years later, after Frederick II. elevated the orders grand masters to the status of Imperial Princes.

Hope this helps.

Re: teutonic banner 1222?

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:22 am
by Andreas
Oh, and I would not recommend asking the actual Teutonic Order regarding reenactment stuff :)

Re: teutonic banner 1222?

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:32 pm
by teutonic knight
we already have formal permission from the current order to portray them in 1222, i have even been intited to join as an honory member.