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medieval fishing

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 6:51 pm
by aidanwallis
ok thinking of doing some fishing at an event this year does anybody know about medieval fishing im think of having a sort of homemade rod thing help! :D :lol:

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:19 pm
by Phil the Grips
Karen wins again with a load of images-
http://www.larsdatter.com/fishing.htm

Also look at netting rivers, spearing from the bank and trapping in creels for more "industrial" rather than recreational fishing, though these were done for fun too.

Tod made a beautiful spliced rod a few years back with a sturdy handle end and whippy tip, horsehair for the line, silk for the leader. They would liekly be done with a casting method similar to flyfishing due to the lack of reels.

Blackmore's "Hunting Weapons" has some further detail on spearing. Izaak Walton's "Compleat Angler", despite being C17th, would still be a useful insight.

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:23 am
by Karen Larsdatter
If you're doing late medieval or early modern England, though, you really ought to read A treatyse of fysshynge wyth an Angle (also here or here) and The archaeology of medieval fishing tackle in addition to these links, though I'll happily point you to http://www.larsdatter.com/fishing.htm too :lol:

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:42 am
by gregory23b
As above, the fishing with an angle is about as comprehensive as you could wish, it is the medieval angler's hobby guide, but my personal reckoning is that the main things to worry about are the hook and the line, boy with stick and line and hook catch fish.

Dunwich museum has some medieval fishing hooks on display, no surprises that they are just like hooks.

The treatise mentions or somewhere else does IIRC that you can make hooks from pins (iron ones) and awls for bigger fish.

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:27 am
by John Waller
Fish traps are also a possibility. Baited wicker contraptions that allow fishy in but not out.

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 3:19 pm
by m300572
If you are discussing general fishing methods, there are a number of fish traps known from around the coast, dting to the medieval period - basically the remains are shallow v shaped settings of rubble - possibly the base of low dry stone walls - or lines of stakes in the same v-shape layout - probably the base of wicker fences.

As far as I know the idea was to create a barrier that was porous to water but not to fish - at high tide fish swim inshore of traps, tide goes out and water drains through wall/wattle fence leaving fish high and dry at low tide, to be picked up by fisherman.

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 3:22 pm
by Mick,M
phil are you going at easter ?was thinking of making net for the river make us realy popular will have to run it by jeff though

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 3:26 am
by Karen Larsdatter
m300572 wrote:If you are discussing general fishing methods, there are a number of fish traps known from around the coast, dting to the medieval period - basically the remains are shallow v shaped settings of rubble - possibly the base of low dry stone walls - or lines of stakes in the same v-shape layout - probably the base of wicker fences.

There was a really interesting news story on a medieval fish trap that was found on Google Earth -- posted some of 'em to my blog at http://larsdatter.com/wordpress/?p=613 :)

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:28 am
by gregory23b
Lots of fish traps shown in the Hours of Catherine of Cleeves marginal decoration, a veritable feast of bits.

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:56 am
by Phil the Grips
Mick,M wrote:phil are you going at easter ?was thinking of making net for the river make us realy popular will have to run it by jeff though
It depends on t'other half's shifts whether I can make it or not.

Netting'd be good- I'll leave the gaff behind as that is definitely illegal in Scottish waters :)

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:10 am
by Mick,M
t'other half ?
I have been out of the loop :)

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:58 pm
by Dave B
What a great idea! it would be fantastic at shows like Tatton or Berkley that have rivers running through the area to have someone there fishing with autentic tackle as the public walk past, especialy if they were able to spiel on about the history of angling.

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:24 pm
by Marcus Woodhouse
My tackle is 'thentic omae. :wink:

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 2:41 pm
by Dave B
Still, best not dangle it in the river at events to impress the public eh?

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 5:22 pm
by gregory23b
I do hear that maggots are good for catching fish though.

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:05 pm
by Ranger Smith
Hi

Just a quick word of worning, fishing on rivers with fixed engines (traps and nets) is now ilegal appart from in a few specific areas which are heavily licenced. Just carrying them by a river could lead to problems if challenged (as this is classed as an intent to fish). Also hand lining is ilegal on rivers. The only legal way to fish open to the general public is with rod and line and then only with the correct rod licence. Be carefull as the fine can be anything up to £2000

Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 12:25 am
by Phil the Grips
Note that the above may vary in Scotland due to differing Game laws and licences.

Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:11 am
by chrisanson
would be interesting to use a net from a Corical or maybe two. pity about the regs. but maybey some forged hooks and some linen line on a stick might be ok

fishin'

Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:08 am
by jelayemprins
I have coracle and Bodger. {anything thats not human and breathes/has a pulse is shuddering at the mention of his name and seeking a dark place to hide }

And we fish, authentic like, at Pensthorpe on the August bank Holiday w/e [with permission of course].

here we go:

Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 12:07 pm
by chrisanson
cool 8)

Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 4:07 pm
by Grymm

Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 4:36 pm
by gregory23b
His hooks look like modern ones though.

The Dunwich hooks are as youw ould expect, but have a more hand wrought look, not 'rusticy' but not machine produced.

Nice to see the old bent pin is a very old idea.

Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 4:54 pm
by Grymm
Dint look at his hooks, the med and tudor hooks I've seen don't have an eye for tying, most have a blobby bit on top of the shank but no eye.

Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 5:25 pm
by gregory23b
I am going by the pic you posted, Eengleesh Peeg

Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:12 pm
by Grymm
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeees,now I know it didn't say no Portagee on the application but, erm, how can I put this.......?










On a lighter note you gonna get yourself a banyan so's you can join 'The Club' (no name for it yet but PtG and m'self are planning on starting one)?

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 4:20 pm
by gregory23b
I will when I get the right cloth, you will of course advise me.

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:34 am
by Grymm
Block print your own y'demnd lazy demi Iberian :D

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:43 am
by Phil the Grips
Grymm wrote: no name for it yet


"Roarers, Rogerers, Gorgers and Pukers"