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crystal Skulls

Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:41 pm
by zolacat999
Hi, Does anybody know anything about the ancient mayan crystal skulls?

Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:06 pm
by guthrie
Do you have any evidence that they are really ancient Maya crystal skulls in the first place?

Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:12 pm
by zolacat999
Yes there was one on display in the british museum in 1988 it may still be there now but im not sure

Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:37 pm
by zolacat999
heres a link to a website i have just found all about the skull

http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_6_1.htm

Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 11:44 pm
by guthrie
WEeelllll, my opinion based upon nothing except people bringing them up now and then on the internet, is that they are either hoaxes or nice piecves of artwork or actual artefacts.
That site you gave the url for demonstrates basically that you aren't going to get any good information unless you go and search for it personally, interviewing all the relevant people and spending good money on proper analyses of the skulls. And even then, since they all seem to turn up without proper history attached, they're probably fakes anyway...

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:22 am
by Mad Monk of Mitcham
Agree 100% with Guthrie. Not a single one of the "crystal skulls" has been proved to be from before Columbus. The closest are a few which were made from pre-columbian beads, so the drill hole is older, but the carving was Victorian period.

This article from "Archeology Magazine" gives the history and facts behind these artefacts. (Not fair to call them fakes, since there is no evidence that they are copying anything "original")

http://www.archaeology.org/0805/etc/indy.html

The "World Mysteries" site also is very badly informed about carving rock crystal.

Researchers found that the skull had been carved against the natural axis of the crystal. Modern crystal sculptors always take into account the axis, or orientation of the crystal's molecular symmetry, because if they carve "against the grain," the piece is bound to shatter -- even with the use of lasers and other high-tech cutting methods.


This means that it should be impossible to carve rock-crystal balls and round beads, because at least some of the work must be "against the grain". A visit to any "new age" shop shows that this is patent nonsense, since they have crystal balls galore.

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 2:20 am
by Ariarnia
Wouldn't it be like carving marble?

You have to allow for some loss as whenever you strike you're cracking the layer below where your carving from, so that layer will have to be polished off carefully to give the finished layer.

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:44 am
by zolacat999
They are perhaps one of those things that will never get proven either way

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:29 am
by Vermin
zolacat999 wrote:Yes there was one on display in the british museum in 1988 it may still be there now but im not sure


Saw one at the BM a few weeks ago - under an explanation of how it's modern (relatively)

http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/hi ... skull.aspx

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:57 am
by Mad Monk of Mitcham
zolacat999 wrote:They are perhaps one of those things that will never get proven either way


No. They have been comprehensively proven to be 19th century or later. If you believe otherwise, well then...

I am the wif of a Nigerian general and I would like to give you £10 million, but pleasae first send me the £10, 000 export tax......

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:12 pm
by Mad Monk of Mitcham
Ariarnia wrote:Wouldn't it be like carving marble?

You have to allow for some loss as whenever you strike you're cracking the layer below where your carving from, so that layer will have to be polished off carefully to give the finished layer.


Carving of quartz (rock crystal) is carried out by grinding, not chipping. Marble, and most rocks, is made up of lots of small crystals. This means that when it is struck, it cracks mainly between the crystal granules. Quartz is different - if it is struck, it can cleave (break) across the whole crystal, destroying it.

Grinding does cause micro-cracks, but they are removed by the subsequent stage of grinding with a finer grit, untill the piece is polished. The size of the micro-crack is dependant on the grit size.

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:45 pm
by Type16
According to Von Daniken in the 70's, they are the product of an alien civilisation that carved with lasers :lol: :lol: :lol:

So I am told. I would not read that sort of book, you understand.

Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:13 pm
by auldMotherBegg
Apparently, many of them have been examined microscopically and they have been proven to be 'modern', ie made with machinery.

Lovely things. Are they any less magical now that we know that?

Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:38 pm
by Marcus Woodhouse
Has anyone told Indiana Jones the good news?