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Tod wrote:Now this is striking a pose.
It cirtainly needs a picket line :D
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Poor Henrik!

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So good they killed him twice.

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Mark, I'll have you know I died for King James more than twice! :P

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I got you at least twice I think.

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Are you one of the grenadiers, then? Or are you that fellow who was ordered to "Kill that man!" by Mark?

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And look who turned up at the Culloden centre....

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There was also a very nice picture of Alan Turton looking very manacing, and three beardy types in 'orrid kit :(
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Wow! Tony looks determined :D Great effect of the bayonet and the way one looks straight into the barrel.
When he told me that he was the new face of the Culloden visitors center he added a "WOOHOO!" like hOmer SimPson. :lol:

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Here's a short film with some of the footage from Lauder:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NGBOcDI778Q

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Dunno you sure they haven't gone a bit overboard with the whole 'Scottish' thing?
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Try this one now with added redcoat, make sure you watch right to the end.
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http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=HR_ltIlAeYA

(http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=HR_ltIlAeYA)


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Thanks, Mark! The end sent chills down my spine.

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shame all the close ups on the wang kit :(
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Looks good - but I shall reserve judgement until I have seen the full finished product.
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Not my re-enactment period guys, but as someone who teaches this period, I had gooseflesh down my spine. Superb - in fact if the rest of it is as good then it's up there with the 1960's one. I always felt desperately sorry for the poor bastards forced out to die for one of the most useless wastes of space ever to claim a throne - that trailer reinforces it. Mark - I didn't realise the red coat was going to be all over the camera lens :shock:
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I will resist the temptation to launch a defence of Prince Charles Stuart here. Suffice to say he has had a bad press, and was a very capable man.
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bonnieprincecharlie wrote:I will resist the temptation to launch a defence of Prince Charles Stuart here. Suffice to say he has had a bad press, and was a very capable man.
Despite his legging it from the field, only stopping to take the treasury with him?
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Alan_F wrote:
bonnieprincecharlie wrote:I will resist the temptation to launch a defence of Prince Charles Stuart here. Suffice to say he has had a bad press, and was a very capable man.
Despite his legging it from the field, only stopping to take the treasury with him?
And launching the uprising even when he knew that the French troops on which the success of the venture depended would never arrive in sufficient numbers.

And being more interested in the opinions of his toadying Irish advisors than the few experienced commanders on his staff.

And finally, allowing the following state of affairs, something which shows how unfitted he was to be a commander of men - let alone a king:

"So when the Jacobite army did finally face the Government army across 500 yards of Culloden Moor at 11am on 16 April 1746, most had not eaten for more than two days; they had endured a pointless forced march and retreat throughout the previous night; and they were on ground ideally suited to the Government army's artillery and dragoons, and totally unsuited to their own single tactic of charging down the enemy."

(http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/i ... /culloden/ )

Sorry, but Culloden has been a subject of interest for me for the past ten years and is a prime example of a battle that ought never to have been fought.
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Culloden certainly is, and always will be, a source of controversy. But I do think that there is significant evidence from the rest of the campaign to suggest that Charles' personal performance deserves rather more credit than he is often given.

As for the Irish contigent, certainly some members showed deficiencies, but in reality they were more effective than is often suggested. The movement of the columns during the initial stages of the invasion of England, for example, demonstrate considerable planning and logistical ability. In truth, they were unravelled by the difficulties of reconciling the differences between commanding regular units and rather less predictable/disciplined irregular forces. And it is easy to understand why the advice of the Irish contingent was more appealing than the rather more partisan counsel of the chieftains.

I would not venture to defend the failures of the quartermastership that led to the hunger on Culloden, nor the decision to make the night march - although Murray is hardly clear of blame for that incident. But I think Charles' personal conduct is more defensible. Certainly he was no coward, and there is ample evidence for that from the campaign as a whole, from its very instigation forward. Elcho's account, loudly hailed as evidence for the Prince's undignified departure from the field, is not only politically coloured but is at odds with other accounts that suggest the Prince was virtually dragged away by other officers.

It is easy to allow later events in Charles' life to detract from his earlier life, but were he a fool then the chiefs would hardly have taken the gamble on sentimental leanings along. He was a young man of vigour, enthusiasm, and political talent, and his judgement was often sounder than he was given credit for. Derby showed that. Equally, he had every reason to expect French support, and English/Welsh, and it is perhaps unfair to overlook his own disappointment and consider it to be mere political deception.

Anyway, bearing in mind that I had promised to resist the temptation to launch a defence, I thank you heartily for provoking me to do so (always a pleasure to discuss such things) and apologise to all for being rather verbose. I do, however, suspect that this debate will rumble on forever, and that opinions will remain divided. Many thanks.
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