16th Light Dragoons

Andy R · Post by **Andy R** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:51 pm

This was the first run out with the new coat.

Still have to add epaulettes.

wurzul · Post by **wurzul** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:18 am

Nice. Good to see caplines doing what God inteneded them to do.

Sir Thomas Hylton · Post by **Sir Thomas Hylton** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:04 am

Very nice.

Though wouldn't call the horse very light

Not to mention I don't think my eyes have woken up yet as I read Dragons initially.... just as well the mist cleared or I'd hve been really confused.... rofl.

Andy R · Post by **Andy R** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:08 am

Sir Thomas Hylton wrote:Very nice. Though wouldn't call the horse very light

Not to mention I don't think my eyes have woken up yet as I read Dragons initially.... just as well the mist cleared or I'd hve been really confused.... rofl.

What horse?

That's a pony would you credit it - just a little oversize.
(but yes, he does take the leg up well)

Sir Thomas Hylton · Post by **Sir Thomas Hylton** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:21 am

Andy R wrote:
Sir Thomas Hylton wrote:Very nice. Though wouldn't call the horse very light

Not to mention I don't think my eyes have woken up yet as I read Dragons initially.... just as well the mist cleared or I'd hve been really confused.... rofl.
What horse?

That's a pony would you credit it - just a little oversize.
(but yes, he does take the leg up well)

Sorry thought it was a miniture shire/dray. Either way heavey even for a Pony

I'll go wander off & play a guitar...rofl.

Andy R · Post by **Andy R** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:47 am

He's a Dales/Irish Cob cross

Size of horses for the 10th Lights in 1813 for example...

16 Hands - 4 Horses
15.2 Hands - 74 Horses
15 Hands - 138 Horses
14.2 Hands - 83 Horses

299 Horses

A comparison with those of the Scots Greys shows that the majority of the latter were 15 hands with an equally large proportion being 15h2. A similar comparison with the age of the horses confirms that a majority were 5 years old.

The Inspecting General found that the horse of the 10th were of good appearance and well nourished, although nine horses were found to be unfit for service.

If Josh was an army horse, he would be hogged and docked.
Having seen him hogged it changes his appearence greatly, and he looks every bit the hunter (with short fat hairy legs)

Phil the Grips · Post by **Phil the Grips** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:52 am

and he's lovely and I want him (the horse, not Andy...)

Sir Thomas Hylton · Post by **Sir Thomas Hylton** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:56 am

Certainly ls sturdy. Looks full of character too. Can see on at least one level why you might like him

Phil the Grips · Post by **Phil the Grips** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 10:02 am

Sir Thomas Hylton wrote:Certainly ls sturdy. Looks full of character too. Can see on at least one level why you might like him

Yep that's Andy to a tee. The horse is the same

Sir Thomas Hylton · Post by **Sir Thomas Hylton** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 10:24 am

Andy R · Post by **Andy R** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 11:07 am

Well Phill, as ever, you are welcome to ride out with me if you are ever down our way.

Josh is a good lad, and he was much loved by the children down at Hangleton. Although he was less keen on the drums and flags...!!

steve stanley · Post by **steve stanley** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:21 pm

Much more soldier-like than that posey Hussar stuff...........

Steve

lidimy · Post by **lidimy** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:07 pm

I love it! The bridle makes him look very workmanlike...

Andy, 5 years is quite young for a horse isn't it? weren't they broken in later then than now? (thinking of Black Beauty at 4... whereas I though 3 y/o was normal for horses now?) presumably they would be trained from the outset to a military style life but how many horses, after experiencing one battle, would go 'willingly' into their second (assuming they weren't injured?)

Andy R · Post by **Andy R** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:15 pm

lidimy wrote:I love it! The bridle makes him look very workmanlike...

Andy, 5 years is quite young for a horse isn't it? weren't they broken in later then than now? (thinking of Black Beauty at 4... whereas I though 3 y/o was normal for horses now?) presumably they would be trained from the outset to a military style life but how many horses, after experiencing one battle, would go 'willingly' into their second (assuming they weren't injured?)

A re-enactor talking about taking horses to events said on another forum "they never took untrained horses to a battle, so why do we think we should be able to get away withh it"

Aftyer reading Tomkinson's letters, he was shot three times and bayoneted once during his first battle after his horse bolted. The horses they received were fresh, and they received their training on the march.

I can recommend Tomkinson's memoirs as a damned fine read

Andy R · Post by **Andy R** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:21 pm

steve stanley wrote:Much more soldier-like than that posey Hussar stuff...........
Steve

Damned straight.

When looking at new units I decided to steer clear of hussars for that reason.

The 15th used to be the only Hussar unit (and in fairness, they are the only one to do campaign, or even authentic turn out).

The 10th are the only Hussar regiment not re-created, and currently we are the only Light Dragoon unit.

The Hussar Brigade sat out of the war for just over half of it (1808 to 1813) where as the 12th, 13th, and 16th Lights fought all the way through the war.

I liked the idea of the 20th, as you have the 15th (Kings Own), 16th (Queens Own), 12th (Prince of Wales Own), 18th (kings Own Irish) and 7th (Queens Own) where as the poor old 20th took the monica "Nobody's Own"

lidimy · Post by **lidimy** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:23 pm

Andy R wrote:
lidimy wrote:I love it! The bridle makes him look very workmanlike...

Andy, 5 years is quite young for a horse isn't it? weren't they broken in later then than now? (thinking of Black Beauty at 4... whereas I though 3 y/o was normal for horses now?) presumably they would be trained from the outset to a military style life but how many horses, after experiencing one battle, would go 'willingly' into their second (assuming they weren't injured?)
A re-enactor talking about taking horses to events said on another forum "they never took untrained horses to a battle, so why do we think we should be able to get away withh it"

Aftyer reading Tomkinson's letters, he was shot three times and bayoneted once during his first battle after his horse bolted. The horses they received were fresh, and they received their training on the march.

I can recommend Tomkinson's memoirs as a damned fine read

Harsh life for a horse.... so it was rare to take the same horse into battle twice?

Andy R · Post by **Andy R** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:24 pm

lidimy wrote:I love it! The bridle makes him look very workmanlike...

Here's a pucker 1812 pattern. Mine is an 1805 hussar bridle (with modifications)

Andy R · Post by **Andy R** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:29 pm

lidimy wrote:
Andy R wrote:
Harsh life for a horse.... so it was rare to take the same horse into battle twice?

Once they were desensitised they seem to have gotten on okay.

After being injured in 1809, Tomkinson went through the rest of the war unscathed.

In the letters horse injuries seem to be rare.

Also the battle returns list number of horses wounded or killed, and unless they were particularly stupid (we are talking British cavalry) the figurs weren't too high.

lidimy · Post by **lidimy** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:48 pm

The tack cleaning looks like it would be fun

It makes such a difference to ride with the appropriately kitted horse.... looks kinda crummy when the rider makes an effort but the horse doesnt (

!) for your period is it a requirement to have appropriate tack if you opt for a horsey role?

That surprises me about the few horse casualties. I thought it was practice to remove the horse to render the rider more vulnerable?

Andy R · Post by **Andy R** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:52 pm

lidimy wrote:The tack cleaning looks like it would be fun

It makes such a difference to ride with the appropriately kitted horse.... looks kinda crummy when the rider makes an effort but the horse doesnt ( !) for your period is it a requirement to have appropriate tack if you opt for a horsey role?

That surprises me about the few horse casualties. I thought it was practice to remove the horse to render the rider more vulnerable?

Tack cleaning is never fun

The idea is to acquire the appropriate tack over time. It all costs money, and after 11 years I only just managed to get a set of holsters.

Yes, if you can;t hit the rider, hit the horse.

But....

Period sword drill has more defensive postures than offensive cuts, plus there was a considerable bounty for captured horses.

If they couldn't make off with them, they did hamstring them though it has to be said.

lidimy · Post by **lidimy** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:17 pm

I can imagine it would cost a lot!

Thanks for sharing your knowledge - much appreciated

Darkmere · Post by **Darkmere** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:50 pm

Nice Pic's
Hope you doint mind but I was at a loose end and made one of them a bit clearer

Andy R · Post by **Andy R** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 11:12 pm

Shiny...!

Cheers,
Andy

steve stanley · Post by **steve stanley** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 1:25 pm

So nice I've quite forgiven you for it not being the 1777 outfit I thought of when I saw the title.......
Steve

Andy R · Post by **Andy R** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:15 pm

steve stanley wrote:So nice I've quite forgiven you for it not being the 1777 outfit I thought of when I saw the title.......
Steve

maybe later

They wore Tarletons, and I do love a good Tarleton.

steve stanley · Post by **steve stanley** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:19 pm

Must admit,aforesaid helmet,green jacket & some hapless militia to ride down could tempt me.........

Andy R · Post by **Andy R** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:40 pm

steve stanley wrote:Must admit,aforesaid helmet,green jacket & some hapless militia to ride down could tempt me.........

16th circa 1779

steve stanley · Post by **steve stanley** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 1:23 pm

I think the dismounted troop wins a prize for obscure units........

Andy R · Post by **Andy R** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 3:23 pm

They fought mounted and dismounted, but the Tarleton seems to have replaced the regular pattern helmet in the 16th.

The 17th by stark contrast kept their's till the end despite moves to the contrary (likewise with the green jackets)