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Herstmonceux 2005

Postby Weirdo Beardo » Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:30 pm

Find below a small selection of some of the pictures I took at Herstmonceux this year. If you're interested you can see more of them posted on http://medievalreenactment.fotopic.net/
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Postby WhiteWolf » Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:33 pm

Brill pics

But how the 'ell does the dude on the horse see anything? :shock:

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Postby WorkMonkey » Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:34 pm

omg its a cyber man on a horse!


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Postby Weirdo Beardo » Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:36 pm

In fact it's a cross dressing cyberman on a horse :shock:



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Postby WorkMonkey » Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:37 pm

the horse dont look best pleased.


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Postby WhiteWolf » Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:51 pm

WorkMonkey wrote:the horse dont look best pleased.


yeah he's just seen his reflection in the lense and has seen whats on his back :shock:



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Postby WorkMonkey » Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:12 pm

"oh sh** there's a cyberman on my back"


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Postby m300572 » Tue Dec 20, 2005 4:40 pm

oh sh** there's a cyberman on my back


At least its not a Dalek - would be a b**ger of a job keeping it balanced there!



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Postby Weirdo Beardo » Tue Dec 20, 2005 5:34 pm

The latest generation of Daleks seem to be able to fly so I'm not sure if they'd want to ride a horse. Sea Devils on the other hand might be interested.......
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Postby tonw » Tue Dec 20, 2005 6:44 pm

is it just me or is there a whole lot of black in that first picture?


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Postby zauberdachs » Tue Dec 20, 2005 10:26 pm

it be a pain to be wearing that much gear all soaked in pitch :)


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Postby Nigel » Thu Dec 22, 2005 10:44 am

If they had it they would ahve used it

I suspect intereting froeign tpes


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Postby WorkMonkey » Thu Dec 22, 2005 11:21 am

I thought black was insanely hard and expensive to get? And even then it wasn't a "true" black was it? Or was access to the dyes more available by the medieval period?


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Postby Guest » Thu Dec 22, 2005 11:27 am

not sure but at least 2 households dod feature black at lot in their liveries

BUT the lords in question were minted



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Postby zauberdachs » Thu Dec 22, 2005 11:59 am

There are sources of scottish spearmen painting their gambesons in pitch to make them more waterproof...


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Postby WorkMonkey » Thu Dec 22, 2005 12:07 pm

Is pitch pure black? Isn't it a sort of muddy dark brown?


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Postby zauberdachs » Thu Dec 22, 2005 12:20 pm

no idea :)


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Postby WorkMonkey » Thu Dec 22, 2005 12:55 pm

I'd imagine if you dunked linen in pitch it'd go turdy-brown, Not sure how "black" black dyes were.


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Postby Weirdo Beardo » Fri Dec 23, 2005 10:26 am

The guys and girls in the black (& green) livery are the Company of the Red Crow who are a great bunch of people. More info on their household can be found on their web site http://uk.geocities.com/theredcrows/

I'm not sure if they're into covering themselves in pitch due to the risk of being burned alive, although I'm not sure if this is preferable to being bludgeoned or hacked to death :?



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Postby BraveAnimal » Thu Dec 29, 2005 1:38 pm

What gorgeous photo`s!

I have to browse all of the albums some time..

But first.. is that a gypsy vanner horse? ( second picture in this topic) Anybody know more about that pony?


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Postby Simon Atford » Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:11 am

The Dalek was in the US. If it had been in Britain it would have got an ASBO slapped on it.



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Postby temporary guy » Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:30 pm

Black is a range of colours.

Good blacks are stable and often composites of over dyes, cheaper blacks include:
dark brown natural wools
iron and tannin based blacks - these are the ones notorious for rotting cloth and chaging colour.

Pure black as we see it is rare if not impossible, even then if you look at modern blakc cloths you will in some cases see a greenish tinge - indicating the base colours even within the modern dyes.

No am not a dyer by any means but use colour a lot and the same principels apply and there is some cross over.

So it was the type of black that dictated price rather than black per se being expensive.

Until people start either:
natural dyeing
or getting better colour matches with natural dyes

then the colours we use will be more often than not too deep or deeper than our usual statuses would merit.

Pitch is brown, just very deep, so is soot, lamp black can be brownish or bluish etc etc............

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Postby X » Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:47 pm

Am I the only person who ever did that chromatography thing with black felt pen at school, where you put it on filter paper, wet the paper, and watch the black felt pen mark separate out into its component colours?

Actually, a really good true black is still insanely hard to do, even with chemical dyes. You need to use a lot of dye. I remember being told by someone who did a lot of dyeing, and taught me how to do it, that even the 'black' sold by the company from which she bought her dyes needed, of all things, yellow adding to it to make it look more black... Go figure.

Chatting to someone else, in the fifteenth century good black fabric was apparently generally dyed another colour, such as blue, first. A cheaper black resulted from when the apprentice screwed up (again) and what was meant to be a length of sky-blue-pink had to be overdyed black so that at least you could sell it...



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Postby Joanna » Thu Mar 09, 2006 7:29 pm

Its a shame you dident get a photo of the girl riding the cat.......you had to be there




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