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A Replica 'tannenberg' gun.

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:01 pm
by Dave B
The tannenberg gun often reffered to as the oldest surviving handgun.

It was found in 1849, during an archiological dig at castle tannenberg (the one in saxony, not where the battle was in poland) it was in a well or cistern under the remains or the castle, which burnt down in 1399. it can therefore be dated to at least 1399, if not earlier. There are other contenders for the earliest gun, such as the loshult gun or the morko gun, but non that can definitely be dated to as early as 1399.

I thought that made a replica a must for any early gunnery reenactment or 'guns through the ages' talk. I asked about on this forum for help in getting it made. I had obtained pictures of the origional and drawings from a swiss chap who had already made an accurate copy, which he acutaly shoots.

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To cut a long story short, Miel (who posts on here) cast me up the replica, and Gary Bate (Derbyshire historic arms) had it proofed. It had it's first outing at the weekend. sadly we didn't get a picture with muzzle flash, which is always tricky with a digital camera, but it really did fire well, and attracted a lot of attention.

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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 5:55 pm
by guthrie
That looks good. It is a lot smaller than I expected, though.
So the pole balances the weight of the gun well?

Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:06 pm
by chrisanson
nice 8)

Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:07 pm
by Dave B
guthrie wrote: It is a lot smaller than I expected, though.


I hear that a lot.

To be honest, the thing is very light, lighter than some 18thC cavalry pistols for example. but it's right. and some of the other origional guns are pretty small and light too. The pole could be even shorter and it would still be easy to aim.

the length of the pole was purely conjecture by Miel, but as you can see on the pictures, this length is right for leaning on the ground to load it.

Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 7:46 pm
by gregory23b
Very nice Dave, nice job all round. Miel's casting looks pretty damn hot.

"the length of the pole was purely conjecture by Miel, but as you can see on the pictures, this length is right for leaning on the ground to load it."

Which makes sense, it is your gun after all and has to be used by you.

Ace.

Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 7:57 pm
by Marcus Woodhouse
Dave B may be small but he's perfectly formed, aren't you sailor. :wink:

Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:10 pm
by Dave B
Nope. If I was perfectly formed I'd be 7 foot tall.

Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:32 pm
by the real lord duvet
you got another one?

only i want something to put in an empty box on a FAC?

Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:01 pm
by Dave B
Miel cast three others, but I think they sold

I have no trouble thinking of things to put on the FAC, I'm taking up pirating.

Or how about one of these. I have the lock, all built up and sparking, and I happen to know that Andy Kirkham is just itching to make the rest of the metalwork. Unfortunately I have 3 on my FAC, and another variation to go in


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Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 11:27 am
by the real lord duvet
as i've got a consiable lengths of barrel and you've got a flintlock?

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i can get an old enfield 2 band as wood doner too?

Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 2:30 pm
by Dave B
one of those has recently been conficsated from a reenactor as a prohibited weapon. Work that out.

Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 6:16 pm
by the real lord duvet
2 or more projectile per pull of the trigger. = section 5 or prohibited. easy to work it out.

however, was it original in which case its an antique and possession is OK (just not wandering down the street same as the baker rifles i suppose the rest of the group had.) it depends a lot on the circumstances of the confistcation.....

although firing it knocks out that argument of antique.

easy way around is to deact 6 of the barrels! speeds up reloading too.

of course changing a weapons catagorisation is very difficult as it something is a section 2 unless the law changes you can't suddenl;y make it a section 1. As proved when our FEO said we could have a section 2 tankard gun as he thought it was 3 section 1 pots. he couldn't override the proof house as it was already on someone elses section 2......


anyway lots of legal argument. I'm working on a gas and electric replica vickers at the moment! It runs off LPG so its cheap, reliable and off ticket!

Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:40 pm
by Dave B
the real lord duvet wrote:2 or more projectile per pull of the trigger. = section 5 or prohibited. easy to work it out.


But section 5 para 1 deliberately says successively. after all, my shotgun is a multi barrelled smoothbore gun dicharging multiple projectiles at the same time, so is a nock gun.

This one is a replica, and there are several around, all of which have been seen by plenty of FL types in the past. Not sure I would go for one now, better with a big musketoon

Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:53 pm
by the real lord duvet
Dave B wrote:
the real lord duvet wrote:2 or more projectile per pull of the trigger. = section 5 or prohibited. easy to work it out.


But section 5 para 1 deliberately says successively. after all, my shotgun is a multi barrelled smoothbore gun dicharging multiple projectiles at the same time, so is a nock gun.

This one is a replica, and there are several around, all of which have been seen by plenty of FL types in the past. Not sure I would go for one now, better with a big musketoon



perhaps they just wanted one for the forces museum

Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:05 am
by Fox
Dave B wrote:Not sure I would go for one now, better with a big musketoon


Oi! That's my idea!

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:22 pm
by the real lord duvet
Fox wrote:
Dave B wrote:Not sure I would go for one now, better with a big musketoon


Oi! That's my idea!


is a musketoon and cross between and musket and a spittoon?

Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:00 am
by Fox
the real lord duvet wrote:is a musketoon and cross between and musket and a spittoon?


Yes. Put your face a little closer to the bell, so you don't miss and spit on the floor.

Hold it there one second while I just go round this end.....

Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:55 pm
by Ace Rimmer
or perhaps it's a musket disguised as a racoon....

Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:24 pm
by The Iron Dwarf
or a racoon armed with a musket.

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:20 pm
by the real lord duvet
The Iron Dwarf wrote:or a racoon armed with a musket.


fool everyone knows racoons prefer carbines

Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:46 pm
by Dave B
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and it works!

Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:55 pm
by the real lord duvet
dave

that looks so much fun your leg fell off!

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 3:39 am
by craig1459
Having followed the story here it was great seeing the gun in action :)

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:46 am
by Andy R
the real lord duvet wrote:fool everyone knows racoons prefer carbines


He'd better be a cavalry racoon then - can't stand infantry with cavalry weapons...

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:51 am
by Andy R
craig1459 wrote:Having followed the story here it was great seeing the gun in action :)


Ditto

Now I know what Dave looks like with a full beard, but it was very interesting watching the piece in action.

(and there was much muttering from the ranks of GCoT about firey death and flaming string)

It certainly worked better than my pistol the night before - out of four shots only one went off (attempting to shoot balloons at the canter)