Women's riding boots? (1730 - 1760)

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Women's riding boots? (1730 - 1760)

Postby Tod » Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:27 am

Hi
does any one know where there is either a picture, or an example of women's riding boots? Period 1730 - 1760.
It's a bit of speculation on my part, men wore shoes but wore boots of various styles for riding. Women's wore shoes so therefor mush have worn boots for riding? Women's shoes would be totally impractical to ride in due the shape in particular the heel.
I don't know if they rode side saddle all the time, which would have meant shoes would have been reasonably OK, but I'm pretty sure that there must have been some sort of boot.
Ideas and info. please.
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Postby Andy R » Sun Apr 15, 2007 1:59 pm

Side saddle, and shoes as far as I know.

I'll check with the ginger one when she gets back as she has plenty of info on period side saddle.

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Postby Mark P. » Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:16 pm

Here's an extract from the 'Handbook of English Costume in the 18th Century'


'1750-1800
Women
From the 1770's boots began to be fashionable for driving (carriages mp), riding and sometimes for sport. The chief styles:
(1) Half boots resembling those worn by men
(2) Short boots with round toes and low heels, laced up the front.'

I guess before this date shoes would have been worn, given the length of the riding habit I don't imagine that you will see much more in pictures than the toes sticking out so no real way to tell what they were like.

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Postby Tod » Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:14 pm

I guess before this date shoes would have been worn, given the length of the riding habit I don't imagine that you will see much more in pictures than the toes sticking out so no real way to tell what they were like.

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That's the problem, lots of toes and no boots. I think they were like the later boots, an interesting project.



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Riding Boots

Postby jfdiow » Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:47 pm

Hi,

I know Jane has done a lot of research into riding dress- but is a little pre-occupied at present!

I think the concensus is:

Shoes mostly, the advantage of showing a dainty foot out weighing the advantage of a sturdy boot, (side-saddle being the norm) Wearing shoes with a riding habit when not actually riding would not be considered strange or out of place.
cf the later portrait of Lady Worsley in riding habit:
http://www.harewood.org/portraits/cgi/p ... oom/69.jpg

However, if the women rode regularly, especially 'on campaign' then she probably wore a boot made on a similiar model to the men's or a half-boot like the later styles, as a matter of practicality.

There are no extant examples of riding boots or special riding shoes that I know of and as has been said the few paintings etc. show only the tip of the shoe/boot whatever.

http://www.sidesaddleinfo.com/attire_ap ... altip.html
used to have a lot of good paintings but the site is re-designing!

There is also a good book- probably available through inter-library loan:

'The Fair Lady Aside' Mary L. Thomas, illustrated by
Linda Knudsen, World Sidesaddle Assoc. 1993, $15, PO Box 1104
Bucyrus, Ohio, 44820

which includes the quote:

"Boots were shorter than those worn in the 17th C, and in the
latter part of the 18th C, boots laced up the front". "Habit
gloves worn were short and plain, and made with or without a short
gauntlet."

Hope that helps,

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Postby Theotherone » Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:55 pm

Maybe someone here could help?


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Postby Mark P. » Sun Apr 22, 2007 10:21 pm

There is a 1735 portrait of the Warde family by John Wootton which shows Mary Warde on Horseback. You would have to go to Squerryes Court in Kent to view it and I'm not sure if it would show the detail you need.

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Postby the_weaker_vessel » Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:08 pm

Just found this thread, Tod are you still looking for info?

I did research for ECW sidesaddle riding, so not so relevant for your period but I can say though that shoes would not have been suitable from my point if view, for two reasons.

1. One one stirup is used, so light shoes would not be easy to keep on, the little slip-ons shown above don't seem suitable for any hard wear, I can't see them being used for riding.

2. The right leg (the one usually over the pommel) gets a lot of wear on the outside, I would certainly want boots which covered my ankle bone if not higher. My half-chaps helped, but I wore them over boots, not shoes.

Hope that helps, now off to find the thread on warmer weather clothing ...

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Postby Tod » Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:38 pm

Sarah Juniper did make some boots, which look good, but I think (?) are speculative. They are higher then shoes.
I'm still working on it......................




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