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Watch fob?

Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 10:27 pm
by Henrik Bjoern Boegh
Hi all,

How should a proper mid-18th century watch fob look? And what kind of ribbon should hold the fob?
Should it have a seal as well?

Cheers,
Henrik

Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 1:15 am
by Hraefn
http://www.antiquorum.com/html/vox/vox2 ... ghts/b.jpg
www.artfund.org/images/artwork/5515.jpg/thumbnail sorry a bit small.
http://www.tylermuseum.org/Jewels.htm
http://ashlandpics.com/CAT121/55A.jpg
Hook often with decorative plate at the top(to slot over waistband) with plates or chains holding key/crank seal occasionally snuff box smelling salts and pretty dangly bit n bobs BUT these are top monkey not for everyone and designed to show that the wearer was 'Considerably richer than yow!'...wouldn't last 10mins paraded like that on the streets in the 18thC.
One of the breeches patterns in 'cut of mens clothes' has a watch pocket set into the waistband and the watch could be held by a simple chain or woven band/ribbon with the key/crank attached(stem winders are later) and seal optional and secured through a button hole.

Got some piccys of various others in books on me shelf but no way of scanning at the mo.....if you want I could digiphoto some and email 'em or try and dig out the books and give you the ISBN so you could go find out for yourself (get your local library to order them)

H.

Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 2:47 am
by Henrik Bjoern Boegh
Wow. Those look very expensive! Thanks for the pics!
The simpler type would do. With some sort of ribbon. Preferably with a seal or something.
The thing is I have a pocket watch that would work ok, even if it is a bit more 19th century in style and construction. But the chain I've got attached to mine looks out of place in the 18th century. So I'm wondering what kind of ribbon should I use and what kind of bits should be attached to the ribbon?

Cheers,
Henrik

Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 3:24 pm
by Hraefn
take a gander at Hogarth Industry and Idlenessm pl7 and 9' the IDLE 'PRENTICE return'd from sea......... ' the IDLE 'PRENTICE betray'd by his whore and Harlots progress plIII all show watches on chains or cord/ribbon Could be any narrow ware, thin 'inkle' in linen or heavy silk, finger braided cord, which is what the first piccy below shows, tho' its attached to a pinball(wizard.....no,I'll get me frock coat) here, the others are variants on chains all are from 18thC examples and are taken from a book called Chatelaines by Genevieve Cummings & Nerylla Taunton
ISBN 1-85149-206-2 published by the Antique Collectors Club

Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 3:29 pm
by Hraefn
One more on a broad ribbon with attached enamalled plates.

Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 4:07 pm
by Henrik Bjoern Boegh
Beautyful! Thanks! Now I have a better idea of what I can use!

Cheers,
Henrik

Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 7:13 pm
by Tod
Hi
Henrik go for some thing simple and not above what you portray. The second picture, the bottom two would be ideal. You can pick one up from ebay. That's where I got mine - which was gift.

Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:25 am
by Neil Johnston
Henrik
Remember and bury the watch when it stops :wink:

There is an apocryphal story about the Battle of Prestonpans and a simple highlander who buried the watch that he had "liberated" from a corpse when it stopped ticking as he believed it was dead..........aye right......he'd at least have tried to sell it!!!

Cheers
Neil

Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:46 am
by m300572
Neil, if you turn up with one of these fancy ones next time out......

Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:32 pm
by Henrik Bjoern Boegh
Tod,
Yes, I'm not going to go for some posh noblemans watch fob. I'm thinking of finding a simple one with a seal and just attach it to the watch using a silk or linen ribbon. I don't want to risk mixing a my frontrank clansman/tacksman impression with that of a chief or someone even higher up the social ladder.
By the way, I just bought a better powder horn off ebay with a brass mouth. :)

Neil,
Never heard that one. Sounds like a Lowland tale of Highland superstition.
But I enjoyed the passage from the memoirs of Chevalier de Johnstone about an incident at Culloden, where he saw a highlander dispatched a dragoon officer and took his time to steal the watch out of the victims pocket before continuing his retreat off the field.

Cheers,
Henrik

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:53 am
by Wim-Jaap
gonna get me and my girl a pocket watch too...

Saw nice ones at Jas-townsend.

So probably a simple watch fob for me too...

Greenthings Wim-Jaap

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:54 pm
by Henrik Bjoern Boegh
Hi Wim,

The ones that Jas Townsend offer are nice. The only thing I don't like is that they have batteries.

You could do an e-bay search. There are quite a few nice pocket watches there that can be bought cheaply.

Cheers,
Henrik