Royal Navy Admiral Bicorn - Need Info

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Royal Navy Admiral Bicorn - Need Info

Postby JoeyLock » Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:04 pm

I was hoping to get a Admiral Uniform so I looked for some and found a terrific one from Sutlers which is about 2 hours away from me. I saw a terrific bicorn that goes perfectly with it from http://www.militaryheritage.com/navyuniforms.htm but its £372 and has only slight information: "Royal Navy Full Dress Bicorn, 1795-1812 595.00US (625.00CAN)".
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And here is a image I made using the Sutlers uniform and sash also the Military Heritage Bicorn:
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I think it looks amazing but its extremely expensive. The Coat alone is £735 and a £150 Engraved Replica Sword + £372 Bicorn will eventually come to £1400-500 once I have bought the trousers, Waistcoat, stockings, shoes and shirt. And that seems quite expensive for a admiral costume.

So is there a cheaper version of that Bicorn? Or would Sutlers create one for me?

Also, Has anyone had any experiance with Military Heritage, since the webpage looks simple so it doesnt seem like a trusty store.

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Re: Royal Navy Admiral Bicorn - Need Info

Postby Tiny Castle » Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:31 am

Hi Joey

I have used Military Heritage several times and they are very helpful and service, although not prompt, is reliable
I would suggest phoning them and chatting about your requirements



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Re: Royal Navy Admiral Bicorn - Need Info

Postby Andy R » Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:34 am

For hats I have found http://www.kittyhats.co.uk very good

For other uniform pieces, http://www.napoleonic-uniforms.co.uk are very, very good.


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Re: Royal Navy Admiral Bicorn - Need Info

Postby John Waller » Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:50 am

Farthingales do an undress bicorne for £185.

http://www.farthingalecostumes.com/www. ... h=&sought=


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Re: Royal Navy Admiral Bicorn - Need Info

Postby Andy R » Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:02 am

What are Farthingales like?

Looking at their costume on a subject I know (light cavalry) they always seem to be somewhat lacking - wrong cut or lace patterns etc..


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Re: Royal Navy Admiral Bicorn - Need Info

Postby John Waller » Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:07 pm

Andy R wrote:What are Farthingales like?

Looking at their costume on a subject I know (light cavalry) they always seem to be somewhat lacking - wrong cut or lace patterns etc..



I wouldn't care to comment. I didn't look at their stuff that closely at Kingston Maurwood but I think some on show was for hire, so perhaps not as accurate as commision stuff.


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Re: Royal Navy Admiral Bicorn - Need Info

Postby wurzul » Mon Oct 12, 2009 5:19 pm

I would venture to the OP that most costumiers are as good as the info you give them, since inevitably they specialise in particular periods or requirements. Relying on them to produce something super-accurate outside their chosen area of expertise is fraught with difficulties. Sutlers specialise in ACW/mid C19th American West for instance.
If you can find someone you click with, establish terms you're happy with, at a price that suits you, and supply your own requirements from research, you will have a great tailor. Relying on someone else to do the research for you is likely to lead to disappointment, or at least, someone else's interpretation of the sources. In tailoring, one man's shortcut is another's gross anomaly. :)

PS Military Heritage (Discriminating General are trustworthy- look out for that import tax, though!)



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Re: Royal Navy Admiral Bicorn - Need Info

Postby Andy R » Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:09 am

wurzul wrote: Relying on someone else to do the research for you is likely to lead to disappointment, or at least, someone else's interpretation of the sources. In tailoring, one man's shortcut is another's gross anomaly. :)


And boy was I stung on that score.

A friend who was making a jacket for themselves made one for me.

I took it as read that as they were a Napoleonic costumer, and they were looking at making the same jacket for themselves they knew the subject intimately.

So my own supposition lead to gross disappointment. They fixed the errors second time round, but a valuable lesson learned for me.


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Re: Royal Navy Admiral Bicorn - Need Info

Postby Nigel » Fri Oct 16, 2009 7:51 pm

wurzul wrote:I would venture to the OP that most costumiers are as good as the info you give them, since inevitably they specialise in particular periods or requirements. Relying on them to produce something super-accurate outside their chosen area of expertise is fraught with difficulties. Sutlers specialise in ACW/mid C19th American West for instance.
If you can find someone you click with, establish terms you're happy with, at a price that suits you, and supply your own requirements from research, you will have a great tailor. Relying on someone else to do the research for you is likely to lead to disappointment, or at least, someone else's interpretation of the sources. In tailoring, one man's shortcut is another's gross anomaly. :)

PS Military Heritage (Discriminating General are trustworthy- look out for that import tax, though!)


In Debs case I would say that we often are better researched in our heads (and we do cover 2000 years)( than many customers and once a commission is placed we go over it in detail to make sure.

There are some wonderful ideas of what uniforms are on the net some correct in every detail some less so


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Re: Royal Navy Admiral Bicorn - Need Info

Postby John Waller » Sat Oct 17, 2009 4:55 pm

On the subject of navy uniforms. I was browsing this today in Waterstones :- Dressed to Kill: British Naval Uniform, Masculinity and Contemporary Fashions, 1748 - 1857 by Amy Miller. Looks very good with lots of photos of original uniforms.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dressed-Kill-Ma ... 727&sr=1-1


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