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Re: secure storing for guns

Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 1:01 pm
by Andysmith
I've ordered a long cabinet from Redders so I've got a couple of locks/clamps for sale (surplus to requirements soon)...the commercial name for 'em is a Norlock and they are ideal for single musket storage (screwed into a roofbeam) in the loft. Make sure that you put some suitable 'protection' between the musket and the loft beam though as the temperature/humidity control up there in the 'gods' of the house does vary considerably over the year!

If anyone wants one (lock, clamp, screws etc. all complete) it'll be in excellent nick and will cost you £20.00 notes. PM me if interested.

Re: secure storing for guns

Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:49 pm
by exat808
Langley wrote:Interesting discussion. Danny Kaye who writes the ELO training for all UK forces likes to get everyone singing from the same hymn sheet so I will take this up with him at the next Ordcon meeting.
I occasionally see my name on various forums when carrying out internet research. I have now joined LivingHistory.co.uk. I can confirm that I will be hosting a Q&A session again at ORDCON 2011.

Although explosives is my main area of specialism I am also an FEO.

So thats my head above the parapet.......

Re: secure storing for guns

Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:20 pm
by Langley
Hi Danny, If you have read the thread it will save me a lot of explaining next Saturday! I will certainly join in the debate since I joined hte steering committee at the nend of last year's meeting - I was the guy sitting beside you...

Re: secure storing for guns

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 8:47 pm
by cloudy-cola-corp
Just as a note too the two comments above this. an acceptance of hoop and cap locks for people using their shotguns for re-enactment purposes as long as it is in a suitable place *aka a loft or basement* in every county. would be a a good verdict :D

Re: secure storing for guns

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:39 am
by Langley
Danny and I have started a dialogue on this and other aspects of storage in advance of the round table at Ordcon. I know many of the readers of this forum will be there, for those who are not, I am on the steering committee and have taken it on myself to bring up the things discussed here for those who can not make th conference and will post an update afterwards. Will possibly put it in a more general place as it does apply to different time periods too.

Re: secure storing for guns

Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:07 am
by Langley
Information on guidance provided to Ordcon by Martyn "Danny" Kaye:

The Home Office Firearms Security Handbook 2005 -
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publicatio ... book-2005/

Firearms law Guidance to the Police 2002 -
http://www.basc.org.uk/en/utilities/doc ... 523083F073

There is an interesting bit under storage which is relevant to the original question. Gun locks are considered suitable only for storing a single gun...

Re: secure storing for guns

Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:51 am
by John Waller
Langley wrote: There is an interesting bit under storage which is relevant to the original question. Gun locks are considered suitable only for storing a single gun...
Interesting. I've got three in gun locks and four in a cabinet.

Re: secure storing for guns

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:17 pm
by Langley
As always - down to local Firearms Officer under guidance from his Firearms Manager John and they are free to apply discretion. The guidance refers to risk levels and if you are in somewhere with low crime levels etc they may well be happy but you see the problem - it is hard to get an idea of "Best Practice" which would satisfy the law wherever you happen to live or move to. What was right for one area might not be for another.We are also concerned about transporting things from where we live to other force areas even temporarily in case we fall foul of different interpretations. There is a revision of some of the law and guidance coming up. Will post the detaisl of the web site where we can all make representations and make known our concerns at trying to stay within the law when we move around. I don't have it on me but will dig it out. At Ordcon we were all encouraged to visit and comment.

Re: secure storing for guns

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:53 pm
by steve stanley
My recent renewal form has a lot more info than in the past on storage.......Mind you,over winter,I keep the barrels in the cabinet,the stocks in a wardrobe, and the locks in the garage!

Re: secure storing for guns

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:04 pm
by Langley
Hmmm. Wonder if we are seeing evidence of a tightening up here. I think the best advice is to talk very nicely with your local FLO. Explain you have been researching what to do to keep within the law (they like that) and ask advice before parting with money for storage. I know there are some wide discrepancies in what is required in different areas. The guidance does make allowance for that sort of thing as it refers to local risk tempered with how attactive the weapon would be to a prospective bank robber. There is even discrepancy about wheter a breechloader can be calssified as a shotgun or if the breech itself should be considered an independent device capable of aiming (crudely admittedly) and firing a projectile. You could certainly get a projectilie in the top of most breeches but could you hold up a bank with it? If it is an independent device then it can not be long enough to be a shotgun is the problem of course. Here in leafy Buckinghamshire (Thames Valley) they do not think like that but you will get a different answer from the Met I am told - by someone who does not have a breechloader for that very reason.

Re: secure storing for guns

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:06 pm
by steve stanley
Leicestershire have followed "cabinets only" for about 15 years.......

Re: secure storing for guns

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:43 pm
by acecat999
the met say cabinets only..... and then make noises about alarms etc on top.

once you get more than one in the house

Re: secure storing for guns

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:29 pm
by cloudy-cola-corp
i see the point of the type of weapon. As a musket stored in someone's house who only own's a acquire black powder license not an acquire and keep even if the person steals the gun what use can it be too them? even if they do get hold of powder its a bit of a "right I've got one shot who want's to be a hero" situation

Re: secure storing for guns

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:34 pm
by Tod
In my part of Thames Valley its cabinets for more than one.