The Construction of Tudor Jacks, size XXXXS.

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Have you started your jack yet?
If not I suggest you go to the next Kentwell mini - the Archery Day 21st & 22nd July - and ask the soldiers to show you the jacks I made. If they haven't got them out beg to see them, cry, look pathetic, say it's important and say I sent you.
They are wrong in that they are Medieval.
By the time you get to Tudor/Elizabethan doublets were being padded and took the place of the coaty type jacks.
If you are serious about this costume making lark go out and buy the Janet Arnold book that I'm sure everyone has been nagging you to get. There are examples in there.
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Aw Sally, so cuute! Glad you're having fun making it :lol:

Anni I would love to go back to KW but my parents are of the opinion that if you've been once, you've 'done it' and why would you want to go again?! :(

I shall ask Annis if she is going and make her drive up to Norwich to fetch me :D :P s this the book you mean? 'janet arnold, patterns of fashion: 1560-1620 '?

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No, no, no...
you've got to come to a mini.
No magic, no time tunnel, tractors every which way ....but less people. Lots of opportunity to talk to us, pick our brains, ask to have a go.
It's so much more mellow and it's cheaper.
The gardens are different, the pigsies are fatter .... its different.

Yes that's the book. Worth every penny unless it persuades you to end it all because you will never have the time to make anything as elaborate as the originals. :?

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Ta-daa, one mini hat for a bear, hope he likes it! Just needs blocking and drying now 8)
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So cuuuuuute :o :D
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Mistress Sally, I am right well pleased by the work of thy hands.

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awwww, so sweet!

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Sally, what does 'blocking' mean? :D

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Francis De La Tedkin wrote:Sally, what does 'blocking' mean? :D

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After the hat is knited it gets hot washed to felt it a bit ('fulling' is the term you'll hear) then blocking is just stretching it over a suitable shape to get everything settled and in the shape it needs to be. Normally I'd use a hat block, funnily enough I didnt have one quite small enough for this so had to improvise :wink:

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Lol, how did you do it? Did you have to make a little cutsie one?
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Nah, used a beermat
Darning mushroom would probably do the trick as well.
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m300572 wrote:
Nah, used a beermat
Darning mushroom would probably do the trick as well.
tried that, wasnt flat enough. :D

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Does it actually need to be arrow-proof? why not just sew two pieces of linen with a felt lining into tubes to simulate the padded effect?
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Well I'd like it to be as real as possible. Which I guess is a bit silly because he's a bear :roll: but there we are.
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Those hamsters, sorry, wild pig can get a bit viscious you know.

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Well, I wasn't going to say anything, but DLT would be hamster bedding by now if he wasnt so nifty with his sword!
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just to add to annies post, by the 16th century it should be doublet shaped - tabs and all.

but the construction techniques are almost the same for some of 'em.
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although, come to think of it, as padding was generally starting to die out in the 16th c,that tends to be arming doublets and fencing doublets, which are thinner, and have the padding built up in certain areas depending on the protection needed.

what they wore in the americas to ward against arrow attack from indians was a lot like a gamby / jack cross. (ie, the length of a jack, and with a fastening, but straight quilted)
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:shock:

Ummm... OK.....
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Apologies for the blatant thread hijack, but can we expect to see you at Arreton Manor this August lidi?
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I can try and get the family over as MoPs for a day but it's quite a long way to go :( I am really intruiged by the whole thing though and would love to go! Will you be there or...?

Ooop - just checked the dates and I'm on holiday then anyway! :(
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Ummm... OK
basically saying that although padded jacks as such were dying out in england in the 16th c, in favour of other stuff, they were still being worn.

so therefore are still correct for the date.

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OK.... they just need to be cut in a different shape but same type of construction?

Do the tabs need to be padded too? :shock:
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they can be, but dont have to be (varies garment to garment).

in some 16th ones only one side (usually the outer) has the quilting, and the lining is loose. cos they're much thinner.
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lidimy wrote:I can try and get the family over as MoPs for a day but it's quite a long way to go :( I am really intruiged by the whole thing though and would love to go! Will you be there or...?

Ooop - just checked the dates and I'm on holiday then anyway! :(
Pity - you'd really have enjoyed it I reckon. Does your holiday cover the whole period of the event?

My sympathies - re-enactment isn't easy to get to when you're still living at home with no transport of your own.
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Yeh, it's 5-12th August isn't it? And I'm away in Germany for all that time so there isn't much chance :(

Just double checked the dates and we are actually leaving on the 5th :evil:
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YAY!


Bit of advertising for you here Sally!

Thank yoooooooooooooooooooo :D:D:D
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:D With feathers on...
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