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Postby guthrie » Tue May 08, 2007 9:12 am

Wayland2002 wrote:I take it you don't do much 15th century. Most people wearing pauldrons have trouble reaching their mouths let alone above their heads.


My dear chap, I started all this 6 years ago in a Fed group.

Please see Phils reply for slightly more detail.



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Postby m300572 » Tue May 08, 2007 10:10 am

No seriously, if at this stage I was given a Knight (cool!) and told to take off his armour, I wouldn't know where to start! I think some lessons are in order

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b)shoot him with the largest cannon available and scrape up the squishy bits that come out of the joins! :shock:


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Postby Wayland2002 » Tue May 08, 2007 11:51 am

guthrie wrote:
Wayland2002 wrote:I take it you don't do much 15th century. Most people wearing pauldrons have trouble reaching their mouths let alone above their heads.


My dear chap, I started all this 6 years ago in a Fed group.

Please see Phils reply for slightly more detail.


Well you must have very differently designed pauldrons to me then!



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Postby guthrie » Tue May 08, 2007 12:14 pm

I don't have any yet. Rest assured that when I do, I shall ensure that I have full mobility whilst wearing them.

OF course, its not as though we have a proper measure of mobility here anyway. I'd happily accept that someone wearing plate has trouble eating, but they should have no trouble putting their hands near their head, and probably taking off their helmet (Although admittedly they might have trouble with the strap) if they want to be able to fence properly. (Reenactment fighting is not proper fencing. [although neither is what we do given safety constraints])



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Postby Wayland2002 » Tue May 08, 2007 12:27 pm

guthrie wrote:I don't have any yet. Rest assured that when I do, I shall ensure that I have full mobility whilst wearing them.

(Although admittedly they might have trouble with the strap)


Exactly. The other problem I have I think is because I wear a barbute (sp?), it needs to be lifted clear of my head and tilted slightly backwards - which I can't do so therefore anyone who squires for me has to be able to remove my helmet as well.


Ask Matt from the Herbert's about trying to eat when wearing pauldron, watching him trying to eat noodles with chopsticks was one of the funniest thinks I've ever seen.....................I just regret not having a video camera with me.



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Postby Chris, yclept John Barber » Tue May 08, 2007 12:37 pm

lidimy wrote:Lol OK then - as long as this process doesn't happen infront of MoPs?!

Or would a mean person deliberately do it to make the whole thing more authentic? :shock:


I certainly would - there'd be physical violence too! But it wouldn't be because I'm a mean person. It's all in character. As one of the evil Normans, it's expected that our squires will be abused both physically and verbally. Helps develop the relationship with the audience - even before the tourney starts, they have me labelled as the bad guy. Our tourneys are very Hollywood, rather than authentic, at least as far as script and characters go!

(With a stage-name like Sir Giles (pronounced in the French manner) Fitzroy, le Comte de Falaise,everyone assumes I'm French and therefore a bad guy anyway. But reinforcing it by beating up a helpless lad never hurts!)[/i]


Of course he has a knife. He always has a knife. We all have knives - it's 1183 and we're barbarians.

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Postby Nigel » Tue May 08, 2007 12:49 pm

lidy I once got asked at an event if we actually beat our children as ecce announed yet another beating to be carried out that evening for a microscopic spot of rust on a sword


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Postby Colin Middleton » Tue May 08, 2007 12:53 pm

Don't know that I'd like to try eating and drinking in my pauldrons, but I can lift a cup to my mouth and I'm pretty sure I can take my own helmet off. Surely its justa matter of how well fitted and how well articulated your pauldrons are?

P.S. can anyone point me in the direction of one these 'assizes of arms' for the later 15th C (or ealry 13th C)? I know Edward I was big on them, but I wasn't aware of any others being issued.

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Postby Colin Middleton » Tue May 08, 2007 12:58 pm

That's right, step in with your evil French thuggery :)

Lidimy, the general rule is start at the top and work down. If it has a buckle, un-buckle it. It is has a lace, unlace it. Don't drop any of it on your feet.

Now putting them in is the real trick...

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Postby lidimy » Tue May 08, 2007 4:47 pm

If that was said completely innocently you have no hope of surviving a re-enactment.


Not sure what you mean.. but thanks for the support, lol.

Lol well it's true, I am in the queue to be adopted by the 1459s, so I shall have to see how it works out.

Besides that, lets not forget that I haven't actually gone to a single event, have no kit and have actually only met one person from this forum. Just to put this venture back into perspective and everything!! But squiring might be a good way to meet lots of people?

I certainly would - there'd be physical violence too! But it wouldn't be because I'm a mean person. It's all in character.

Pah. That's your excuse.

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Postby guthrie » Tue May 08, 2007 7:11 pm

lidimy wrote: But squiring might be a good way to meet lots of people?

Definitely not. It's a good way to get intimate with one or two people in a specific group, but if you really want to meet people, you go the beer tent with a big sign that says "Hi, I'm Lidimy from LIvinghistory".

Then people will queue up to say hello and see what you are like.



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Postby Wayland2002 » Tue May 08, 2007 7:29 pm

Or perhaps a t-shirt saying "I'm Lydia.............please talk to me" or "Tom is my only friend" (Fletcher actually does have a t-shirt with that on)



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Postby lidimy » Tue May 08, 2007 7:37 pm

Definitely not.


Oop. Well I guess I'll just have to pick my Knight carefully then :D

Quite liking the T-shirt idea, though isn't that what the mice are for? And considering that I am the only 16 year old blonde girl I should be easily recognisable. I am banking on people greeting me before I greet them though, or else I will probably not end up speaking to anyone due to shyness :oops:

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Postby Zachos » Tue May 08, 2007 7:50 pm

I thought you were 14. Where did you suddenly get two years from?


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Postby 'Banastre' » Tue May 08, 2007 7:53 pm

lidimy wrote:
Definitely not.


Oop. Well I guess I'll just have to pick my Knight carefully then :D

Quite liking the T-shirt idea, though isn't that what the mice are for? And considering that I am the only 16 year old blonde girl I should be easily recognisable. I am banking on people greeting me before I greet them though, or else I will probably not end up speaking to anyone due to shyness :oops:

Who's Tom...?


On the recognizeable point Lidi, wear something VERY bright and/or unusual. n.n It will draw attention and most certainly a few comments. Conversations will start in no time!


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Postby lidimy » Tue May 08, 2007 7:59 pm

*Sifts through wardrobe*

umm.... well.... I don't have anything very bright! Apart from my hair in the sun!


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Postby Zachos » Tue May 08, 2007 8:07 pm

what counts as unusual in re-enactment circles can be a bit different. I would blend in perfectly in a kilt for example.


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Postby lidimy » Tue May 08, 2007 8:37 pm

Could be kinda interesting, meeting people. Impressions based on the internet might be so different to those formed in real life.

Not that I'm trying to warn you about anything :twisted:

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Postby Wayland2002 » Tue May 08, 2007 9:15 pm

lidimy wrote:Who's Tom...?


Your only friend!



Join Myspace and you'll find out.

Zachos wrote:what counts as unusual in re-enactment circles


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Postby Marcus Woodhouse » Tue May 08, 2007 9:57 pm

Lidmy, tell us an event you are going along to and if you are planning to be a boy or girl, if you come and find me (if I'm at the same event of course, bloody hard job otherwise) I'll try and get you into some kit. It won't be as well fitting as my own or my daughters but it'll set you up for the day. I expect most people would offer to do the same if you can't find me. As for colour, I beleive blue, pink, red, plum and green are my standard mix, sometimes all at the same time. Nor would I try to stick with just one person, plenty of us lower status fighters need just as much help with our buckles, points, belts. There are more of us as well. I try to help Mike get into his harness, but then i need help to buckle up bevors, plackards, knees of me own, that's me daughters job, or any MOP that is passing by if I can't find her. I'd be able to do it me self were I not too busy trying to work out the best person to hide behind and the best way to secure the baggage train if i need to advance to the rear.


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Postby Chris, yclept John Barber » Wed May 09, 2007 12:02 pm

lidimy wrote:
I wrote:I certainly would - there'd be physical violence too! But it wouldn't be because I'm a mean person. It's all in character.

Pah. That's your excuse.

Lidi :D


Admitted: it's not because I'm a mean person, but I'm a mean person too, so being nasty to squires is just a bonus of choosing the kind of character I want to be!

If you want to see me being a mean knight (and Colin Middleton being a good one!), as well as seeing the costumed interpreters at Conisbrough Castle (reference to another thread, if that baffles anyone!), we're there on the 20th May. (Yet another event you probably won't be able to find an escort to, but at least it's only a day-trip and not as far from Norwich as something like Tewkesbury!)
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Postby Colin Middleton » Wed May 09, 2007 12:45 pm

lidimy wrote:
Definitely not.


I am banking on people greeting me before I greet them though, or else I will probably not end up speaking to anyone due to shyness :oops:


I found that carrying a 7 foot wooden cross on my shoulder provided a great ice-breaker at the last TORM :D


Zachos wrote:I thought you were 14. Where did you suddenly get two years from?


Kids keep doing that Zachos. I think it's all an evil plot to make the rest of us feel old :evil:


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Postby Ian Macintyre » Wed May 09, 2007 1:07 pm

Wayland2002 wrote:
guthrie wrote:
Wayland2002 wrote:I take it you don't do much 15th century. Most people wearing pauldrons have trouble reaching their mouths let alone above their heads.


My dear chap, I started all this 6 years ago in a Fed group.

Please see Phils reply for slightly more detail.


Well you must have very differently designed pauldrons to me then!


I've never had a problem removing my helmet in my pauldrons. And these are very big efforts I have. See me at Tewks for evidence of rapid helmet removal post battle.


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Postby lidimy » Wed May 09, 2007 3:58 pm

Marcus, thanks for the offer :D

Note: at this stage, events that already have the disadvantage of being a distance away aren't really much use, because I have exams and so can't reall leg it to the nearest Fair, if you get my meaning :D Last exam is on 22nd June :( I do really want to go to Tewkesbury, but I really can't see how it can happen. Am trying to persuade Annis to go, so we can go together, but she doesn't want to :(



I thought you were 14. Where did you suddenly get two years from?


I never :o Even when I joined this forum I was 15, and you obviously missed my birthday in Feb :cry:

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Postby Skevmeister » Wed May 09, 2007 4:01 pm

I have to say Wayland I am very suprised by your comment on your pauldrons as they wouldn't be doing ther job if they restricy your movement, so badly, but what you could have is a mxiture of two items that stop this articualtion correctly as in your spaulders and pauldrons, may not work together an cause a jam.

And lidi if you came to get me out of my armour you would have to make friends with my Gambo as well, its not quite like Sir Craig Of Cullens (Jason) buts its slwoly working its way their. Aint it Craig


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Postby lidimy » Wed May 09, 2007 4:19 pm

Ooh look at this, a little demo in the top corner :lol:

http://www.medieval-siege-society.co.uk ... fault.aspx


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Postby Wayland2002 » Wed May 09, 2007 4:38 pm

Skevmeister wrote:I have to say Wayland I am very suprised by your comment on your pauldrons


I hadn't realised this was such a "sensitive"subject, but I really honestly can't take my helmet off when I wear them, I also didn't realise it was a problem as I see plenty of other people being helped off with helmets and or mail coifs.

I can raise my arms above my head, thats not a problem, what I can't do is raise and bring my arms inwards, there is no physical way this can be done. The pauldrons extend from my neck to halfway down my upper arm and this restricts certain movements.

I can't quite see why this seems to be winding so many people up, if it doesn't affect them why moan.



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Postby guthrie » Wed May 09, 2007 5:59 pm

Wayland2002 wrote:I can't quite see why this seems to be winding so many people up, if it doesn't affect them why moan.


It's not that, we're just splitting hairs. You commented on wearing large pauldrons, but it was unclear as to exactly how large you meant, and exactly how much they affected mobility.



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Postby Cat » Wed May 09, 2007 6:05 pm

Yeh, that's all well and good but have you ever burped a really bad one into your bevoir? It...lingers.
My bevoir is irreplaceable however, as once i have spilled water into it providing i don't go glub and drown, I can blow really good raspberries in it against the damp metal that carry all the way across the field.

Back to the subject in hand...Lydi, if you volunteer to be a squire you will have to be up to hauling around quantities of heavy whiffy kit, and doing up recalcitrant buckles that completely B***cks up your fingers, and dealing with grumpy old gits fresh off the field. Speaking as one such git, not good. My suggestion is plead for a wooden longbow and train to arch. We need more-lots more- archers.
Or drummers, not got loads of them. Or banner-bearers. But not a squire...

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Postby Phil the Grips » Wed May 09, 2007 6:19 pm

Cat wrote:Yeh, that's all well and good but have you ever burped a really bad one into your bevoir? It...lingers.

...and if you throw up through heatstroke into your bevor (or coif- I have known people do both) on the saturday then make sure you clean it out before you have to put it back on again on the sunday..that really lingers!


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