Assistance choosing a plate harness

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Assistance choosing a plate harness

Postby PST » Fri Sep 30, 2011 7:32 pm

I'm looking at getting a gothic harness from Pavel Marek (this might change depending on seeing an ASH Brig in person at TORM) and have been dithering over the style. There are some communication issues (not huge but his English isn't great) which mean I'd like to point at specific images for my harness.

I'm wanting a gothic harness, between 1450 and 1470, styled but not too over the top in design and embelishment.

I'd appreciate any advice on which of the ones he has in his gallery is most fitting as, while I can recognise most, I'm not 100% clear on the timeline for all of them.

His harnesses are shown at:

http://www.armorymarek.com/armours

Breast & Back at: http://www.armorymarek.com/cuirass



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Re: Assistance choosing a plate harness

Postby Stuart Quayle » Sun Oct 02, 2011 12:34 am

Hi PST

Oh how I envy you :envy: , what a lovely position to be in 8-)

Looking at Pavel's site the first harness which jumps out at me is a46 which looks to be a generic copy of the armour of Archduke Sigismund of Tyrol, by armourer Lorenz Helmschmied of Augsburg c1480. This harness is highly fluted, except for the helmet and greaves and carrys alot of brass decoration, so not really what you are looking for and probably very expensive to reproduce because of all the man-hours of work involved.

What I would be looking for is a copy of the harness made (possibly) for Waldemar VI of Anhalt-Zerbst - late 15 century. This harness is in the German gothic style but is much less fluted and plainer in style, but very pleaseing on the eye. I have attached a pic of this harness for your info.

Keen to hear how it all works out.

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Re: Assistance choosing a plate harness

Postby wulfenganck » Sun Oct 02, 2011 1:18 pm

Hi PST,
just for cklarification: I guess you're into portraying an englisdh man-at-arms, right? Just because if you're trying to do a soldier of german originb (IIRC there where some german mercenaries fighting in <England in the later years of the Wars of the ROses), don't use a brigantine, there are practically no pictures or mentioning of brigantines in use in the Holy Roman Empire.
Marek does nice stuff (I have greaves and cuisses made by him), but you must tell huim exactly what you want. Apart from that he doesn't do hardening - at least he didn't do it 2 years ago.

If you're for the timeline 1450 - 1470 and german gothic style I would recommend his model C65: http://www.armorymarek.com/public/default/userfiles/image/cuirass/c65hfd.jpg
That seems to match illustrations in the fencing treatises by Talhoffer (the 1459 codex from the Royal Library Copenhagen and the 1467 codex - I don't know where to find that online) and Paulus Kal (manuscript CGM 1507, Bayerische Staatsbibliothek München - Bavarian State Library Munich,) from that period. If you're looking for inspirational illustrations, go for these fencing books.
HIs C61 seems a bit to posh, dito C67....the others seem to be italian style.

But then again, being english, you might as well go for italian style or even the italian "alla tedesca"-style copying german gothic harness? After all, the north italian amrouries were producing very large numbers for export; the sozuthern german armour centers like Nuremberg, Augsburg and Innsbruck were well-established, but I think they produced smaller numbers compared to Italy (maybe due to the guild-system in the HRE).



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Re: Assistance choosing a plate harness

Postby KeithFarrell » Thu Oct 06, 2011 2:15 pm

I saw a thread on the MyArmoury forum yesterday that looks like it might be helpful for you. The thread contains images of plate harnesses from the 15th century, the photos taken in museums. I think the author of the thread did an excellent job of collating images!

http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=21487


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Re: Assistance choosing a plate harness

Postby Mark Griffin » Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:52 pm

Archduke Sigismund of Tyrol - Otherwise known as Sigismund the fabulously wealthy. So easy to copy, but even easier to get wrong and you need the figure for it.

If you want 1450- to 1470 its a big time period but that on is way later.


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Re: Assistance choosing a plate harness

Postby Mark Griffin » Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:05 pm

The arret on the sigismund is waaaay out of place.

Brass edging is plain, should be gilded

The flutes look a bit wheel made rather than hand beaten. Could be wrong there and no disrespect as it is all good efforts and he's improving all the time.


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