Shoulder length hair+medieval reenactment=problem?

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Shoulder length hair+medieval reenactment=problem?

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It's on my shoulders, in a kind of slightly-grown-out-used-to-be-layered-bob-thing style. There's no way I can afford a false hairpiece, and I'll be doing Archery, so it'd only get messed up anyway.

So, problem?

If I need a head covering, can you recommend something generically medieval that would do for most periods? We're a small group (7 @ the most), so we can't really specialise (yet). Also, we do mostly school visits and they're not all that fussy.

I'm going to the ILHF on Sunday, so I can get one then :) Or make one...

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What gender are you - that makes a difference. Head coverings differ greatly over the medieval period and so having a date matters. When we have those basics we can help you better.






Re school visits and "they are not all that fussy" - very big ouch on many levels.
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"We're a small group (7 @ the most), so we can't really specialise (yet)"

Au contraire, it is by far easier to specialise when you are a small group as you do not have the inertia of a large group with mixed kit to contend with. I would go for specialising, ie consistency ASAP.

"generically medieval that would do for most periods?"

No such thing and not a good basis for offering your historical interpretations, better to have a defined era from which you can make comparisons than have a 'generic' look, unless you do bad tv drams of course. EG. so a school wants Tudor, if you have late 15thc you can be very early Tudor, that has more plausibility than a bit from 12th to the 16th.


"Re school visits and "they are not all that fussy" - very big ouch on many levels."

Agreed, not least because there are a fair number of reenactors who are teachers, which means that you cold be under scrutiny for accuracy etc.

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Alice the Huswyf wrote:What gender are you - that makes a difference. Head coverings differ greatly over the medieval period and so having a date matters. When we have those basics we can help you better.

Re school visits and "they are not all that fussy" - very big ouch on many levels.
As werewelsh menioned grown out layered bob I'm hedging my bets on female, but in our hobby that's probably jumping to conclusions :D

werewelsh - both Alice and Jorge have made a good point here, there isn't anything generic that would do you through the Medieval period - by which I think you're probably after high to late period C11 to C15?
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As a teacher I would be a bit upset if I forked out X amount and had a Horrible History type presentation of muddyevalism.
One of the things that teachers try (by God we try) to encourage in children is the ability to look beyond the Victorian/Hollywoodised images of history and find out what life was like for the people who lived in the past by examining primary and secondary evidence.
And as a reenactor who also goes into schools and colleges to present a portrayal of the past I really wouldn't want to go in wearing "Generic Medieval Peasant No.1" kit because I know I would encounter kids who would say "But when I googled images of 1360 men they all looked like this..."
It's not only somewhat insulting to assume that your audience won't know that you're in Monty Pythonesque fancy dress but a great dis-service to them (and your fellow reenactors) if you are in effect showing a misrepresentation of quite easily researched information (such as how you should look).
Again as a teacher and as a reenactor who has studied and been involved in several time periods one of the most rewarding aspects of history is correcting viewpoints/mistruths widely held in popular circles such as all Royalists being dashing musketeers with long flowing locks, etc.
Stating that in 500 years of history there was no fashion changes would be just the kind of incorrect stereotype I'd want to challenge, not reinforce.
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If you are portraying a female, you'd have your hair covered at virtually all times regardless of rank or occupation. Only very young unmarried girls and queens get to wander round with their hair down as a rough rule of thumb.

The good news is that headcoverings can be extremely simple- a square or rectangle of linen can be worn in loads of different ways to suit different styles and activities, and a basic headwrap will start you off whilst you research possible fashions for yoru chosen dateline in more detail.

False hairpieces for temple braids are pretty cheap to do if you wanted to try this style, come and talk to me at the ILHF about false braids if that appeals, I do fake plaits to order starting from about £6 or so :D

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Where you based werewelsh (love the name!). Sounds like you are a small group trying to start out without benefit of someone with the years of experience behind them to guide you along. Many of the respondents on this site have those years behind them (I have worked with many of them and indeed, for my sins, am responsible for introducing Alice the Huswyf to re-enacting!) Feel free to PM to discuss your ideas and will try to help out. I had a huge amount of help when I first started and still got it wrong like most people in those early days. Maybe come along to an event we are doing and chat. Tell me where you are and I will tel you of our nearest gig.

Certainly you need to go for specifics and accuracy these days. One cardinal rule is "Never B****T" - you never know who you are talking to. Imaging turning up at a school and being introduced to the teacher, Mr Woodhouse. I personally found myself talking maille with an attractive young lady who turned out to have just completed a PhD on the subject, our scrivener was complemented on his efforts by someone who turned out to be Her Majesty's Scrivener and (blushes all round) we dragged a volunteer out of the audience and dressed him up one day. As I helped him off wiht the kit afterwards he admitted to being the author and publisher of several of the standard works on mediaeval clothing. Then there was the 7 year old girl who it turned out read Latin and recognised the one word difference in modern and mediaeval Latin in the Pater Noster she was examining...

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:cry:

I consider it a fantastic even if the children understand "don't swing that around".



That's probably unfair actually. I've met some fascinating people doing re-enactments and it's always nice to make good people happy! :D


Back on topic, Werewelsh, it is easier to do fewer periods to start with and (if wanted) add more as time goes on. There's so much to learn that you don't want to add more work to yourself. There are ways to do one period and 'educate' a wider range. We do a 'development of weapons' talk for schools that starts in the stone age, and comes up to 'modern' (i.e. 15th C which is the costume that we're all wearing).
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You do want to watch out for that Mr Woodhouse, everyone I' know who's met him says he's a right bastard in the classroom.
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I haven't met Marcus Woodhouse and can categorically mis-state that it isn't just in the classroom. :twisted:
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