Coat of Plates Vs Brigandine Vs Breast Plate

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Postby Talen » Mon Aug 16, 2010 8:50 pm

Hi guys, fraid this is another newbie question.

I'm almost to the end of my first season renacting and it's been fantastic. I've had a really great time, learnt loads and met some great people already. At the moment I only have soft kit and a henwei hand and a half sword (yeh I've already discovered how good they are, however I figure it'll be good to practice with until I can afford a better one), however I am hoping to begin building up some armour this winter ready for next season. Obivously this will include either an arming doublet or arming jack, helmet and gautlets, however I also want to try and get some armoured torso protection.

There seems to be a large debate about which is better, Breast Plate, Coat of Plates or a Brigandine. I'm not sure which would be the best to get though, whether I should get one type and then get another at a later date, or save to get a good quality one. I'm feeling more inclined towards a brigandine, however I wanted to find out any advice anyone had on the subject. My current group has suggested a coat of plates, however I tried one on and was not overly thrilled with it, especially when my group hit me full pelt in the chest with an axe. The armour did the job and saved me thankfully, but it also felt like the plates dug into me when the axe landed and hurt quite a bit, instead of the blow being taken by the whole armour like I was expecting (relatively of course, it was an axe!!). Though this could either be my lack of experience with armour or this could be because the coat wasn't fitted to me, though so I'm still keeping an open mind on them.

I'm hoping to build up to a man-at-arms, however for now I'm content to just have some sort of armour and build up to it. Due to the current financial situation money is unfortunately an issue. I'm also considering making a chainmail skirt to go with the torso armour. I'm familar with the principles behind it but have no experience with it. Does anyone have any advice for that as well please?

Really sorry if this has been covered before but I couldn't find it anywhere.

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Postby Tod » Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:34 am

I only started doing medieval a couple of years ago and faced the same problem. Firstly if one of your group hit you full on with an axe I suggest you find another group, there's some thing called pulling your blows and not trying to put your mate in hospital.
Regarding armour it depends what period you are looking at. COP's are earlier than brigandines. A good brig will cost you over £700. You can get a breast plate for £200. I don't know how much a COP will cost.
Specify your period then look at what they wore at the time for the role you portray. You will need some sort of padded armour. I don't know of any good events where you will be let on the field with any thing less than a padded jack or similar. The type depends on what period you do. One thing I have found is that one type of protection will not do for all medieval periods. There are some very helpful people on here, others can be a bit blunt, don’t let the latter put you off.



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Postby Marcus Woodhouse » Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:54 am

I am pretty sure that even the best made harness requires some form of light padded clothing underneath, even if it is to act as a foundation for putting all the rest of the pieces on.
You can wear brigs, maille without such clothing but you;ll find that a sild hit will still send energy through to your body. There are tales of men being spared from blows that fail to penetrate their maille or brig but dying from gangerous bruises later.
One of the reasons that you see illustrations of men dressed in layers of different armour is the way certain armours protect you better against certain weapons better than others. A really good jack should serve you well for just about anything-there are stroies of men being pincushioned with arrows and still surviving for example and that was when men wore these things to really stay alive and not protect themselves from a mistimed blow (why would anyone want to hit you like that omae?)
Sadly a really good jack, like a really good harness (in fact anything) will cost but you'll be able to sell it on as it'll be good for years.
It is sometimes easier to start off as small fry and then over the years build up enough kit to become ye knightly man at arms nice shiny armour should be matched by nice shiny soft kit (and fawning henchmen/servents in my opinion).


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Postby Nigel » Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:14 am

Am biased

but what the man Woodhosue says

For a coat of plates and a brig (which period you doing as there is my mind destinctive periods in which theyse were used) padding should NOT be an optional extra

After your soft kit a good jack should be the first thing you get

I wear a thick jack under my breast plate and am pretty well bomb proof :D


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Postby Phil the Grips » Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:01 am

The other thing to bear in mind is that reenactment battles use blunts so this skews away from the original historical needs for protection. Jacks , and I mean proper jacks not a few bits of blankets, are the best defence against being hit with, what is in effect, a crowbar.

They are also easier to transport and make excellent bedding.


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Postby Colin Middleton » Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:50 pm

Get a jack. Worst thing that I ever did was get rid of mine when I moved up to full harness (okay, well perhaps not, because I need to make one that fits anyway, but you get my point). Even if you go onto other types of armour in the end (and don't try to wear a jack under a brig or plate harness, that's like trying to wear 2 coats!), you can keep the jack for when you want to play an archer, or otherwise take it easy in a battle!

Coat of Plates is 14th C, brigandine is the 15th C equivalent. Choose the right one for your period.

Think about where you want to go with your kit and be careful on your purchases. You might be able to get a breastplate for £200, but how well will it survive combat? Will you be able to add a backplate to it when you want to become fully armoured? Are you going to end up discarding it and buying a full cuirass instead anyway? I bought a white-rose plakart to wear over my jack at first, but wound up selling it on when I went to the full cuirass. Thankfully I bought a good one, so it kept much of it's value.

A brigandine is likely to see you through, provided that you buy a good one, but as Tod says, they're £700+.

My advice is to stop and think. Take your time, you've only been re-enacting for a year and think about where you want to go. The Jack IS a good investment and if well made, will keep you pretty safe for the next few years. In that time, save your money and decide where you want to go. Then, you'll be able to aford a decent peice of kit when you've made your mind up.

As many other people will tell you, buy the best that you can afford for the role that you're playing (that means most well made, NOT the one with lots of shiny bits on it). It will save you money in the long run.

Are your group going to any events where you can meet up with some of us and have a chat?


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Postby Talen » Tue Aug 17, 2010 6:45 pm

Thanks for all the advice guys! It''s been really useful. The padding was also something I've been considering, but was thinking that if I am planning on building up to full plate over the next few years, would it not be better to go straight for the arming doublet and save money rather than go for the jack first? I have no experience with them so I don't know which would be best for my current level. The jack will provide more padding but the armining doublet will allow me to add plate as and when I can without having to fork out for a second piece of underarmour (is that the correct term?). Over the past couple of events I've done I've found myself wanting to develop as a swordsman first and foremost (which is surprising as I do modern archery) rather than anything else, so I definitely want to try and work towards building my kit in that direction, while also developing a bit of LH as well. As the battlefield is only one part of renacting, my ideal goal, as it were, is to work towards being some sort of mercenary, either as bodyguard for a LH camp demonstrating various pieces of kit, or on the battlefield, and taking it from there towards the man at arms. My girlfriend is the opposite, she is more inclined towards focusing on archery and LH, especially the musical side of things, though due to the cost of musical instruments, for the time being she's focusing on archery.

I'm really sorry I should have specified a bit further. My group is multiperiod, however most of the events we do are based in the WOTR and around that time, so that's the period I'm aiming to portray for the time being (will get far too costly to try and cover more than that effectively while remaining as true to the period as possible). I've been looking at various brigs online and as you guys say most are £700+. I've seen some for alot less from Steel Mastery, however I've read quite bad reveiws on here about them. Due to budget then and a desire to try and be as authetic as is possible a brig is something that will have to wait until later on sadly. If I got a brig, great, but I still wouldn't be able to do anything with it as I couldn't afford other kit needed for the battlefield for next season. That leaves plate or a coat of plates. My group is very keen on the coat of plates though due to their flexibility over regular plate, so even though it's alittle earlier would it not still be feasibly for them to still be in use? Especially if they develop into brigs? Or is the difference too much? I haven't had chance yet to try on any torso armour, whether a breast plate, backplate or plackart, so I don't have anything to compare my experience with the COP as everyone in the group has coat of plates. A little while ago I played with the idea of getting a curiass but felt that it would be too costly to get all at once. Is it possible to build up to one or are they best brought at the same time?

As to being hit with the axe, I was wearing an arming doublet and coat of plates and it was to the chest. It was to show me what the armour could do when I was trying bits on rather than attacking me in anyway so no malice was intended.

We're called the Company of The Rose and are at most events, though we're quite small at the moment, this is our first year. We're a mixture of experienced and novice renactors. The next one for me (and sadly for this season due to other requirements) is Caldicot during the second week of September. If you guys are there that'd be great thanks! I'd very much appreciate going over various things regarding this as I am a complete novice but am eager to learn.

Thanks,

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Postby guthrie » Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:24 pm

Not that I have plate, but I know a few people who do, and it seems to be a bit easier if you save up money first and then buy it all made to measure at the same time from one supplier, rather than one bit one year, a different one next year from a different person, and before you know what has happened you have a mismatched set of armour which doesn't work together.
(I'm sure they had mismatched armour in those days as well, but I'm pretty sure they would have done their damnedest to make it fit together, which involves a bit of hassle which you may not want"



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Postby Marcus Woodhouse » Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:40 am

Hello again Talen.
I'm glad that you're enjoying your new hobbey.
I've read through your last post and I hope that you'll not mind if I point out a few things.
Firstly I would not recommend you wearing an arming doublet as a sole means of protection. I know I would not want to wear mine on its own as the protection it provides is mainly against any chaffing, I wear it on its own to hold my hose up and I suppose it might cushion a light blow but I would not go and fight with it (unless sparing with someone I trust and I am happy to do that in doublet and hose if I know and feel confident enough with the practise partner). I don't think that it is meant to be worn as a stand along item.
Secondly I have not found much evidence to suggest that there ever were many mercenaries fighting in the WOTR period, at least not in England and Wales.
Of course it depends on who you call a mercenary, the men fighting for the Pastons were fighting for cash rather then out of loyalty but then even retained men did so and extraordinary retainers could come from outside the immediate locale or powerbase of a noble.
Even the Irish and Welsh "mercenaries" (as they have been described) fall into this category as they generally fought at the behest of a magnate with Irish/Welsh connections who could actually call upon their services as part of the semi feudal nature of 15th century enlistment (ie those Irish who fought at Mortimers Cross and at Stoke Field did so through ties with the Earls of Ormand or Ulster).
At various times French, Breton, Burgundian (which could mean Flemish/French/Italian/German or even English), Scots (though again many were raised at the behest of the Scotish king to support an ally) did fight in the Wars but never in huge numbers and normally as either what would be described now as "foriegn volunteers" (ie the French and Scots who fought for the Lancasrtians at various times or the Burgundians who fought for York in 1471) or specialists (like the Burgundian who worked under Warwick and the French/Breton seigemasters).
Mercenaries are expensive and my own feeling is that they would have been paid off as soon as possible, again my own feeling is that those who came with Edward IV may have fought at Barnet but would have been paid off as soon as Edward had control of English guns and gunners when he took control of London and the Tower (not that I have any evidence to back this up and they may well have been kept on as soon as he realised the new threat from Somerset and the Prince of Wales). Certainly mercenaries made up a large part of some contiental states armies but this was either for expedeince (in the case of Florence and some other Italian city states) or because they were large, under populated states (such as Burgundy), becuase national leaders trusted them more then there own nobility/people (the Holy Roman Empire/Burgundy and most ot the Italain city states) or were in such a constant state of war reainess that they required permenant or near permenant field armies (such as Burgundy/the Italain city states/the Spanish kingdoms).
I doubt that a local gentle man would have the means or need to have a mercenary bodyguard.
If you do plan on being a bodygaurd then you might well first and foremost want to study the etiqutte and manners of the period as it is more likley that you're portrayal would be of a squire or even a valet or henchman. in this role you would be expected to attend to your masters needs, make sure he has a room for the night that the road ahead is safe and if an assasin strieks are there to foil the blow (I know a real bodyguard who for most of the time is a personal organisor albeit one who can literally kick ass, drive like the wind and shoot just about any gun in the world).
Finally while a sword is a good civilian weapon and I can see why a bodyguard would need one they are not the weapon of choice for the battlefield by the 1400's. If you are a Knight, Squire or even an Archer of the Body then you're task is to protect the King/Duke/Earl/Lord in the midst of battle in which case you'll be armed with something much better at killing armoured men then a sword. Swords were still taken onto the battlefield and may have been the first and only weapon for some men but missile weapons and polearms were the order of the day for most soldiers and were second or even third choices for these men.
(And as an aside a perfectly servicably polearm can be picked up much cheaper then even the cheapest and naffest of swords.)


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Postby Tod » Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:33 am

This is what I would suggest and why. Get yourself a padded jack. Even the £100 ones are very good, mine is hand sewn and my girlfreind has modified it a bit which took her a couple of hours. If you don't have one you won't be allowed on the field at many events. Maybe your own group doesn't have that rule but if they attend some of big groups events or multi periods you'll find yourself having to watch rather than take part.
If you are going to buy plate, take a very deep breath and talk to lots of people. It's very expensive (but there is huge amount of work in it) and there are some very good makers but there is also some real rubbish. Made to measure is always the way to go, unless you are very lucky and find a full harness that is from some one the same size as you.
To avoid spending a fortune buy a breast plate if you are going to use a pole arm, you wear this over your jack and when or if you move onto more armour that can be your light kit, plus you can wear it as an archer.
Swords are nice and shiney and many are rubbish. If you buy one save up a few hundred quid and get some thing that you really realy like and fits your persona. But as most battles are pole arm orientated get one of them first, cheaper and you'll need one any way.
I did lots of asking about COP's and brigs and the former are wrong for WOTR period, I guess your group does earlier stuff most of the time or people have bought based on a budget and got it wrong.
The best advice I can give is look at some contemporary pictures, pick what you want to be ask your group if that is OK and build your LH around that.
I'm not an expert on the C15 or WOTR but the people here have offered me lots of advice and I've done a lot of reading and watched others get it very wrong. I hope this is helpful.



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Postby Colin Middleton » Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:58 pm

If your group all use CoP, then it's a viable option for you, but it isn't good autheticity for the WotR. That's a choice that you have to make.

You're right that if you buy a jack and decide to move onto plate harness that you'll need to buy a new arming doublet. However, if you're fairly new to re-enacting, you might find that the arming doublet that fits well now doesn't fit at all in 3 years time. Also, as Marcus said, the arming doublet won't protect you in a battle. It is to wear under your other armour (that needs to be a padded brig or plate harness, don't count on mail). Also remember that a well made jack retains much of it's value, should you sell it on later (I don't recomend it, it's always worth having a jack that you can use when you don't want to 'tin up').

If you're looking at full harness, I strongly recomend going to a high-end armourer. You'll end up with something much more comfortable to wear and will also look right in it. However, if you do that, you're looking at a £5k+ price tag. I've tried buying armour a piece at a time and it can work, but it does mean that you're having to visit the armourer often for fittings, which adds to the cost and you have to deal with the degredation of parts of teh armour, while other parts look new and shiny.

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Postby Talen » Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:14 am

Thanks loads everyone for all of your useful advice, you've given me a lot of information regarding this and tons to consider, even more than I was expecting, thank you. I think that going on all the advice then the best thing to do for now is to get a padded jack, a helmet and some gautlets. I'd never considered a polearm before but as discussed they are the main weapon of choice for WOTR so even if I prefer the sword, knowing how to use a polearm will definitely be very useful. Perhaps you'll see me on the field next year carrying one along with my nice cosy padded jack =)

Thanks again guys!

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Postby Matt Easton » Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:34 pm

Sounds like you made the sensible choice.
Swords are *sidearms*. They are the equivalet to a pistol these days. Swords are at a big disadvantage against most types of polearm - that's why polearms were primary weapons, not because of fashion. :)
If you get a sallet, padded jack and gauntlets then you will look the part to play a billman or spearman, and you can of course carry a sword as a backup (and dagger or knife as well).


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Postby Talen » Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:25 pm

Thanks :) I think I may be empting my wallet at the next market lol



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Postby Hobbitstomper » Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:59 pm

Good choicce. Make sure you get a jack with properly sewn on arns and get some advice about styles. A tailored 15th century jack will look out of place in 1200 and vice versa. However, no one will tell if you put a mail shirt over a 15th century jack to play at 1200 knight/sergent.



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Postby Talen » Sun Aug 22, 2010 2:30 am

Great thanks, will do. Can anyone suggest a good place to go for them? I'm currently cosindering the Padded Armour Company



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Postby Earl Mortimer » Sun Aug 22, 2010 10:53 am

You won't go wrong with padded armour company. Great service and build quality

I'd be using debs and Nigel again ;)

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Postby Nigel » Sun Aug 22, 2010 3:09 pm

Thanks Shane


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Postby Immortalis » Mon Sep 06, 2010 9:21 am

Surprise, Surprise. Might not be the best place to ask about where to get padded jacks from on here. But you'll have to be quick to read this as with all the other posts not praising people it will disappear quick. Strange how other companies are put down here and those posts stay |(

If you do get to read this before it gets lost in the ether send me a PM and I will explain.

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Postby Marcus Woodhouse » Mon Sep 06, 2010 9:33 am

I agree there are some posters, especially on the F&G forum who essentially use the forum as a form of advertising.
Nigel did announce bias though and I would hesitate before saying he was in any way the worst offender, nor is it his fault if other's recommend Deb's work.
And before I get acused of any bias if you look through posts I've had in the past you'll see that there have been many, many, many times when Nigel and i have been going hammer and tongs at each other.


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Postby Immortalis » Mon Sep 06, 2010 9:45 am

And my post didnt name anyone by name, I was just pointing out that posts that put forward a valid if not praising review of certain traders have disappeared with the mods stating the forum isnt the place for posting that sort of thing even though you can clearly read post still here now that do not show other companies in a bad light.

maybe it helps if you are a trader who is or has good friends that are mods hmmm worth thinking about.
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Postby Colin Middleton » Mon Sep 06, 2010 12:43 pm

I think that if you have an issue with the policies on here, you need to take it up with the moderators or with Cal, not bitch about it on random threads like this. You're certainly not making friends with this attitude.


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Postby Nigel » Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:13 pm

Marcus Woodhouse wrote:I agree there are some posters, especially on the F&G forum who essentially use the forum as a form of advertising.
Nigel did announce bias though and I would hesitate before saying he was in any way the worst offender, nor is it his fault if other's recommend Deb's work.
And before I get acused of any bias if you look through posts I've had in the past you'll see that there have been many, many, many times when Nigel and i have been going hammer and tongs at each other.


yeah old chap thats because we argue for the hell of it :D and I love a good arguement one day face to face over a crate of benidictus

And to me its nice that Shane recommends Debs as I value his recommendation and he is outright as to who he is.


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Postby Immortalis » Mon Sep 06, 2010 2:14 pm

I didnt know everyone must use their real names here to have an opinion didnt see it in the rules and I hope it isnt true for some of those here unless their parents really didnt like them. As for taking it up with the mods it was and has been to which they fall back onto the 'be nice on this forum' stand even as I point out there are posts on here at the moment that dont shine a good light on companies so what is somebody to take from this? That this is indead as you say their policy 'if we know them then dont speak ill of them but everyone else is fair game'.

If people are going to be told to go to a company then it is only right that they are made fully aware of other peoples negative experiences. As for making friends here didnt know that was a requirement either as its a puplic forum and I joined just the same as you did, I came here as I was told it was a great place to learn about our hobby and get advice and all I keep seing is the same thing 'go here (anyone how says diffrent will be deleted)' and 'this is the gospel rule because I say so' unless you can prove your point with what ever medium I want and then I'll just discount that source unless I can use it to prove my point.

Think what you will of me I dont care but these sort of things will only keep us in this state and not moving forward, most of this just seems like the stuff you all make fun off about the early days and what they thought was authentic only its you saying this is fine so it has to be right. Dont you thuink they thought the same back then.

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Postby Fox » Mon Sep 06, 2010 2:25 pm

Immortalis wrote:And my post didnt name anyone by name, I was just pointing out that posts that put forward a valid if not praising review of certain traders have disappeared with the mods stating the forum isnt the place for posting that sort of thing even though you can clearly read post still here now that do not show other companies in a bad light.

maybe it helps if you are a trader how is or has good friends that are mods hmmm worth thinking about.

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I wrote a longer reply to this, with all the information about how and why posts are removed.
Then it failed to post [network drop at my end] and I lost it all.

Frankly I don't feel like putting my moderator head on again, and wasting a huge amount of time replying carefully and clearly, so you've got the short version.

I've wasted enough of my time this weekend dealing politely and fully with users of this forum, who frankly did not deserve that courtesy.
If you had any idea of the amount of exaggerated fairness and hand-wringing that went on, the time that's wasted to do things fairly and properly, the amount of abuse, threats and stress that the moderators have had over the years, you'd never make a post like that.
All the moderators do the job because they were volunteered by the members of this forum; and several have fallen from active duty along the way.
Perhaps that's worth think about.



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Re: Coat of Plates Vs Brigandine Vs Breast Plate

Postby Immortalis » Mon Sep 06, 2010 2:50 pm

I take you post serious fox I was untill recently the moderator on a forum so I do know some-what what they have to deal with. I havent slandered anyone I even went so far as to say if the intrested party wanted to hear my opinion then they were to Pm me I didnt post it. When people start to say if I have a problem with the policies of the forum then I will answer as I did' as it is that is not the policy so not a valid point. I did not abuse or threaten anyone and did not mention anyone by name. If anything I have said breaks the policies then fine delete me if not then people have the right to hear peoples opinions for good or for bad when they ask for advice.



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Re: Coat of Plates Vs Brigandine Vs Breast Plate

Postby Fox » Mon Sep 06, 2010 4:14 pm

Clearly you have a specific example in mind.
If you want to PM me about it, I'm more than prepared to look into it.



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Re: Coat of Plates Vs Brigandine Vs Breast Plate

Postby Nigel » Sat Sep 11, 2010 8:41 am

Immortalis wrote:Surprise, Surprise. Might not be the best place to ask about where to get padded jacks from on here. But you'll have to be quick to read this as with all the other posts not praising people it will disappear quick. Strange how other companies are put down here and those posts stay |(

If you do get to read this before it gets lost in the ether send me a PM and I will explain.

Spreading the word

Militant B@stard.


Immortalis Tried contacting you via pm but no reply so

Obviously I'm sorry that you've apparently had a problem with one of our pieces.

As far as I'm aware you haven't contacted Debs at any stage to let her know of any problem that you've had, or she would have worked with you to find a resolution.

Please reply to the PM that I have sent you to that end, with details of your name, location and purchase or order year / event, etc.

Clearly, if we are not told directly of a problem, or who you are, we are prevented from doing anything to correct the matter.

Regards

Nigel


There’s a country in Europe where they treat their ex soldiers with pride no waits for medical treatment after injuries received during service, no amensia from the government. Cant for the life of me recall where it is but I know exactly where it is not.

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Re: Coat of Plates Vs Brigandine Vs Breast Plate

Postby Steve Churchill » Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:38 pm

Getting back onto the thread's original topic :-), another good supplier of Padded Jacks is Medieval Market - got a very good archers jack from them. They will be at the International Living History Fair in October :-D



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Re: Coat of Plates Vs Brigandine Vs Breast Plate

Postby Talen » Sat Sep 25, 2010 9:41 pm

That's great thanks! I haven't decided yet where to get it from so I will seriously consider those. Does anyone have any reviews of them or any other continent based companies? Due to the reduced cost I have been looking at several, for both the padded jack and the helmet I want to get (I've decided on a style of kettlehelm). Actually the helm in the picture advertising the archer's gambeson on Medieval Market is pretty much what I'm thinking of.

Thanks!




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