15th Century pouches and bags

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Re: 15th Century pouches and bags

Postby Colin Middleton » Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:06 pm

Some of those look like they could be brass mounts.


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Re: 15th Century pouches and bags

Postby Velund » Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:10 am

Greetings all!

There is a book on leather pouches - both girdle and frame as well as many other kinds, as far as I know the only one on the subject, it is "Purces in Pieces" by Olaf Goubitz.
Here: http://www.amazon.com/Purses-Pieces-Arc ... 9089320040

This seems to be a staple research on pouches-purces, at least I have never seen a more complete one.
Girdle purces seem to have been worn only by men, there is only a couple of historic depictions known with women wearing a girdle purce, while pictures of men being many.
A drawstring type pouch seems to be more appropriate for fair sex. There is another kind of pouches which resemble drawstring pouch but are worn on girdle and have a special loop for it. These pouches were worn by both men and women.
A couple of pictures:
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As for purce decorative mounts - they might be of pewter, of brass... actually of any metal... That depended, I think, on the wealth of the owner - the pewter is the cheapest alloy, the brass/bronze is most universal and might be silvered or gilded. We may as well accept existence of purce mounts of precious metals. To tell more, it seems to me the decorative mounts are a feature of later medieval period- 15c. and later.


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Re: 15th Century pouches and bags

Postby The sempster » Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:32 am

Hello Velund
could you please post a date for the pictures? I'm pretty sure the right hand one is Duerer, and painted in the early 16th century, but where is the other one from? The shape of a woman's purse depends on the time period your going for, a 14th century almoner purse will look slightly odd with a late 15th century gown, and the other way round.
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Re: 15th Century pouches and bags

Postby Velund » Wed Mar 10, 2010 4:19 pm

Hello Velund
could you please post a date for the pictures? I'm pretty sure the right hand one is Duerer, and painted in the early 16th century, but where is the other one from? The shape of a woman's purse depends on the time period your going for, a 14th century almoner purse will look slightly odd with a late 15th century gown, and the other way round.
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Hello The sempster
You are right about the second picture - it's Durer's A Nuremburg woman in house dress, c. 1500-1501.
The first one is The Visitation, 1503. I haven't found the author. It is on Lars Datter's site.


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Re: 15th Century pouches and bags

Postby Karen Larsdatter » Tue Mar 16, 2010 3:50 am

Velund wrote:You are right about the second picture - it's Durer's A Nuremburg woman in house dress, c. 1500-1501.
The first one is The Visitation, 1503. I haven't found the author. It is on Lars Datter's site.

:wave: As the aforementioned "Lars Datter" :lol: here's a better detail of the purse from that particular Visitation:
http://tarvos.imareal.oeaw.ac.at/server ... 005504.JPG

Also -- the full citation for that particular painting on REALonline is as follows:

Kunstwerk: Temperamalerei-Holz ; Einrichtung sakral ; Flügelaltar ; Niederösterreich ; Lk:01:039-056 , Johannes4:04:005-008
Dokumentation: 1503 ; 1503 ; Grafenegg ; Österreich ; Niederösterreich ; Schloßkapelle
Anmerkungen: 165x64



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Re: 15th Century pouches and bags

Postby Velund » Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:31 am

Hahaha), Thanx for details, Karen. I really been thinking for the long time it is a man called Lars Datter :roll: ).
Anyway thank you very much for it! It is really helpful!


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