help needed with strapping a late norman helmet.

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help needed with strapping a late norman helmet.

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I've recently completed a late norman helmet all bar it's strapping. It has to go over the hood of a haubergeon with a side fitted ventail, I believe this will interfere with a chinstrap. Does anyone have any solutions for attaching this thing to the head (barring woodscrews into the head!).

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nice lid

spider inside and chin strap
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Thanks Nigel but does the chinstrap not interfer with the ventail? This was my only concern here.

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I'd have thought a chin strap wouldn't be able to go under the chin while the ventail is up, I spose you'd have to tie the chin strap under the chin, then fold the ventail over the top of the strap. If that makes sense. Depends if there's any gaps round the ventail while its up to allow for the chin strap to slide under it. Do you make hats to order?
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The folding the ventail over the strap may well work, all depends on the face opening and where he's positioned his ventail, I'll suggest it to the client.
Yes I do make to order. Not a big folio of helmets right now but it's steadily growing.

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I would tell the customer to attach leather tab with leather laces fed through it on either side of their coif near their temple and tie the laces through rivet holes. That may be hard to understand lol, but if you dont get It ill draw a picture or find the picture where I have seen it before. I dont know how historically accurate it would be, but it wouldnt get in the way of the ventail.
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mattb wrote:Thanks Nigel but does the chinstrap not interfer with the ventail? This was my only concern here.

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might do a bit of wiggling would work tho or a spider and no strap
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Post by Hobbitstomper »

What I did on my coif was to tailor the it so the front matches my neck and jaw. This allows a chin strap to work. Going upwards it needs to go in at the neck then out again for the jaw- using one triangular expansion either side of the jaw. Then you can turn your head easier with less drag on the mail. If you get it wrong the mail won’t go over the back of the head or you’ll just strangle yourself on the over tight mail.

I think this matches period pictures of hauberks. The problem is that most coifs are made to a price and are not individually tailored.

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WorkMonkey wrote: Do you make hats to order?
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Post by Biro »

Just the kind of lid I've been looking for..

So far I've found that if anything a chinstrap helps keep the ventail in place - but I guess it all depends on how the ventail is tailored.

IMO a chinstrap is a must for that helmet. It looks like most of the weight will be high on the head, so any sudden movements will probably cause it to loosen and fall..

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I'm with Hobbitstomper, I think his answer covers it pretty well. Like Biro I wear a nut helm over my ventail, with a chin strap without problems. It helps pull the ventail in a bit to my neck. The only thing to be aware of is that the knot to hold the ventail up isn't under the chin-strap, or it'll press in a bit.

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