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Who was at Tewkesbury

Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 1:32 pm
by Colin Middleton
Some friends and I are doing a wargame based on Tewkesbury and the organisers have decided to have 6 commanders on each side, representing the 2 most important nobles in each of the 6 batttles (e.g. Wenlock and Prince Edward and Edward IV and Clarence for the 2 centre battles). However our research has yet to turn up all the names for the flank battles. I thought that I'd post on here as there's bound to be a couple of you who know the answer off of the top of your heads! :)

We think that we've got
Duke of Somerset and Sir Hugh Courtney on the Lancastrian Right.
Earl of Devon, but we don't know who with on the Lancastrian Left.
Lord Hastings and Maquess of Dorset on Yorkist Right.
Duke of Gloucester, but we don't know who with on the Yorkist Left.

Can anyone offer any help please?

Many thanks

Colin

Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 5:46 pm
by Marcus Woodhouse
I believe Clarence was in the middle of the Yorkist array and that Edward Woodville and one of the Grey's were also on the left with Gloucster.

Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 12:24 pm
by Colin Middleton
Thanks Marcus.

Playing Anthony Woodville, Earl Rivers and Lord Scales would be a nice one! Wasn't he reconed to be one of the greatest jousters of his time?

Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 1:04 pm
by Langley
Don't I recall something about Lord Wenlock in the Lancastrian centre getting bashed about the head after the failiure of Somerset's flank attack because the message to follow up did not reach him and Somerset accused him of being a traitor etc?

Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 6:49 pm
by Marcus Woodhouse
Rivers was not at Tewkesbury. he may have been injured at Barnet (but no-one says that he was) he may have been injured on the march to London.
For whatever reason he was placed in charge of defending the capital and the Queen, and the Prince of Wales by Edward before Margaret landed, a task he did well against Falconburg's Calais men.
Lord Wenlock was on hand to advise Eduard, Prince of Wales in the Lancastran centre.

Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 12:34 pm
by Colin Middleton
Sorry Marcus, I miss read your post. Edward Woodville, not 'some Woodvilles'. What state must my mind be in?

Thanks.

Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 12:55 pm
by Fox
Sir John Langstrother, Prior of St John of Jerusalem (Knights Hospitaller), is described in some interpretations as leading the Lancastrian cavalry, in others as commanding the Lancastrian centre.

I'm not clever enough to understand which is most likely from the primary sources, but no doubt someone on here is.

Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 9:30 am
by Ghost
Edward Prince of Wales commanded the lancastrian mainward (centre) with Wenlock and Langstrother as advisers. Somerset the van (right) and Devon the rereward (left)

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:20 pm
by Master Thomas Pike
If anyone is interested it was a resounding victory for the Lancastrians.
This might well have a little something to do with Clarence attacking Gloucester in the back just as he (Gloucester) had started to attack, a now slightly confused, John Boufort.

At the end of the day Gloucester and Hastings were dead. King Edward had run away Clarence was claiming his now dead brother was infact a traitor and the Lancastrians were sitting pretty.

The next fight we are looking at doing is the siege of Gloucester.

Watch this space. =D

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:48 pm
by Marcus Woodhouse
:?:

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 9:32 pm
by Master Thomas Pike
What is ':?:' Marcus?

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:24 pm
by Sir Thomas Hylton
Looks like a question mark to me.... & well it should.

Though can understand both points of view, as to official historical & percieved historical results.

Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 1:00 pm
by Colin Middleton
You stupid boy! :wink:

Marcus presumably hasn't realised that you're talking about a wargame re-creating the battle of Tewkesbury, which went horribly awry from the original!

And get yourself an Avatar sorted out! You've no excuse after that lovel picture was taken of you at Bolton (grated you're grinning like you're mad, but...).

Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 3:53 pm
by Master Thomas Pike
lol Don't worry Captain Middleton I won't tell them my name is Pike. =P

Yes I think that is probably the case and definately quite a variation. It would make for a very messy reenactment if that was accurate! At the end of the fight nearly everyone would be laying on their back or running away, especially for the Yorkists :wink:.

Which photo from Bolton? I have been trying to find some of the ones from Keighley, Bolton amd Longhill but no joy, directions please.


As for 'mad'!?

Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:41 pm
by Allan Harley
I was :oops:

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:52 pm
by tonw
By all accounts I've found those crafty beggers on the yorkish side that apparently turned the battle were commissioned by the commissioner of array for Worcestershire and Shropshire which would have been Sir Walter Deveroux Lord Ferrers. The vast majority of them coming from Bewdley

Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:43 pm
by jock
John Stafford Earl of Wiltshire (Yorkest)