Who was at Tewkesbury

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Who was at Tewkesbury

Postby Colin Middleton » Tue May 26, 2009 1:32 pm

Some friends and I are doing a wargame based on Tewkesbury and the organisers have decided to have 6 commanders on each side, representing the 2 most important nobles in each of the 6 batttles (e.g. Wenlock and Prince Edward and Edward IV and Clarence for the 2 centre battles). However our research has yet to turn up all the names for the flank battles. I thought that I'd post on here as there's bound to be a couple of you who know the answer off of the top of your heads! :)

We think that we've got
Duke of Somerset and Sir Hugh Courtney on the Lancastrian Right.
Earl of Devon, but we don't know who with on the Lancastrian Left.
Lord Hastings and Maquess of Dorset on Yorkist Right.
Duke of Gloucester, but we don't know who with on the Yorkist Left.

Can anyone offer any help please?

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Postby Marcus Woodhouse » Tue May 26, 2009 5:46 pm

I believe Clarence was in the middle of the Yorkist array and that Edward Woodville and one of the Grey's were also on the left with Gloucster.


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Postby Colin Middleton » Wed May 27, 2009 12:24 pm

Thanks Marcus.

Playing Anthony Woodville, Earl Rivers and Lord Scales would be a nice one! Wasn't he reconed to be one of the greatest jousters of his time?


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Postby Langley » Wed May 27, 2009 1:04 pm

Don't I recall something about Lord Wenlock in the Lancastrian centre getting bashed about the head after the failiure of Somerset's flank attack because the message to follow up did not reach him and Somerset accused him of being a traitor etc?



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Postby Marcus Woodhouse » Wed May 27, 2009 6:49 pm

Rivers was not at Tewkesbury. he may have been injured at Barnet (but no-one says that he was) he may have been injured on the march to London.
For whatever reason he was placed in charge of defending the capital and the Queen, and the Prince of Wales by Edward before Margaret landed, a task he did well against Falconburg's Calais men.
Lord Wenlock was on hand to advise Eduard, Prince of Wales in the Lancastran centre.


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Postby Colin Middleton » Thu May 28, 2009 12:34 pm

Sorry Marcus, I miss read your post. Edward Woodville, not 'some Woodvilles'. What state must my mind be in?

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Postby Fox » Thu May 28, 2009 12:55 pm

Sir John Langstrother, Prior of St John of Jerusalem (Knights Hospitaller), is described in some interpretations as leading the Lancastrian cavalry, in others as commanding the Lancastrian centre.

I'm not clever enough to understand which is most likely from the primary sources, but no doubt someone on here is.



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Postby Ghost » Fri May 29, 2009 9:30 am

Edward Prince of Wales commanded the lancastrian mainward (centre) with Wenlock and Langstrother as advisers. Somerset the van (right) and Devon the rereward (left)


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Postby Master Thomas Pike » Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:20 pm

If anyone is interested it was a resounding victory for the Lancastrians.
This might well have a little something to do with Clarence attacking Gloucester in the back just as he (Gloucester) had started to attack, a now slightly confused, John Boufort.

At the end of the day Gloucester and Hastings were dead. King Edward had run away Clarence was claiming his now dead brother was infact a traitor and the Lancastrians were sitting pretty.

The next fight we are looking at doing is the siege of Gloucester.

Watch this space. =D



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Postby Marcus Woodhouse » Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:48 pm

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Postby Master Thomas Pike » Tue Jul 14, 2009 9:32 pm

What is ':?:' Marcus?



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Postby Sir Thomas Hylton » Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:24 pm

Looks like a question mark to me.... & well it should.

Though can understand both points of view, as to official historical & percieved historical results.



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Postby Colin Middleton » Wed Jul 15, 2009 1:00 pm

You stupid boy! :wink:

Marcus presumably hasn't realised that you're talking about a wargame re-creating the battle of Tewkesbury, which went horribly awry from the original!

And get yourself an Avatar sorted out! You've no excuse after that lovel picture was taken of you at Bolton (grated you're grinning like you're mad, but...).


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Postby Master Thomas Pike » Wed Jul 15, 2009 3:53 pm

lol Don't worry Captain Middleton I won't tell them my name is Pike. =P

Yes I think that is probably the case and definately quite a variation. It would make for a very messy reenactment if that was accurate! At the end of the fight nearly everyone would be laying on their back or running away, especially for the Yorkists :wink:.

Which photo from Bolton? I have been trying to find some of the ones from Keighley, Bolton amd Longhill but no joy, directions please.


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Postby Allan Harley » Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:41 pm

I was :oops:


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Postby tonw » Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:52 pm

By all accounts I've found those crafty beggers on the yorkish side that apparently turned the battle were commissioned by the commissioner of array for Worcestershire and Shropshire which would have been Sir Walter Deveroux Lord Ferrers. The vast majority of them coming from Bewdley


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Postby jock » Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:43 pm

John Stafford Earl of Wiltshire (Yorkest)


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