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hi im new and need help!

Postby mattwho » Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:19 pm

just finished theas books
http://www.bernardcornwell.net/index2.c ... seriesid=6
and its given me the urge to do what i should have started when i was a kid!

begining of the year i had a bike crash and i have only just gone back to work but with 1 less bisep and my other arm does not have the moves it used to have!!
so its made me think im not gonna be around forever so lets get on with like.
but i want to be an archer lol lol and yes yes befor you say it my arms are busted up bad but to be onest swinging a sword around will nakker me up in a few mins but holding my arm out ill last longer with a bow.
ive never even done archery but im looking forward to it like a kid a xmass lol
so this is my question!
can you show me a pic or pics of english archers from 1300 to 400 please
im thinking mid 1300 but ill see what is best and most wanted by groups.

so can you help me?


allso my msn is mattwhoAThotmail.co.uk if you ned to know anymore out my spanner arms lol



matt



ps
been thinking if i cannot do an archer can you post same date pics of anything lol



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Postby Ben_Fletcher » Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:52 pm

Where abouts are you in the UK?


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Postby The Methley Archer » Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:57 pm

Welcome,

If you can get hold of Ospreys, English Longbowman 1130 - 1515, Warrior 11. It will give you a general feel for things from which you can research further, but try and find a group. If you aimed for late 15th C then I would recommend looking at the Federation of the Wars of The Roses and Livery and Maintenence websites for groups as a starter. All the best.


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Postby Hobbitstomper » Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:08 pm

Thought of trying a crossbow? Less stressful than a bow.



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Postby Type16 » Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:22 pm

Welcome !!!!

My immediate thoughts are also towards a crossbow.

Several mechanical devices were used to draw them.


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Postby Marcus Woodhouse » Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:41 pm

And they also make handy coat hangers.


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Postby mattwho » Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:00 am

im in wellingborugh
cross bows are a good idear but ive got my heart set on a bow



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Postby The Methley Archer » Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:55 am

Good man. You don't need toys that jonny foreigner plays with :D

Although I am taking a crossbow to Kelmarsh as well :!:


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Postby Vez » Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:58 am

well Matt, Looking at your location I would suggest coming along to Kelmarsh this weekend and getting some info from the horses mouth as it were.


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Postby mattwho » Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:46 pm

http://www.kelmarsh.com/event_details.asp?id=114

sweet ill be going and to the 2 ppl that pm'd me ill prolly see you ther and thanks

how much is it to get in?



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Postby Jim » Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:55 pm

Regarding crossbows...A crossbow with a low enough poundage to be safely used on the field (probably 30-40 pounds) will usually lack any kind of drawing mechanism (goat's foot / pulley etc) as they are easily drawn by hand - so make sure you are able to draw it before you buy it. That said, it'll still be easier on your arms overall to use a crossbow than a longbow.

Be very careful when buying a crossbow that you don't end up with a monster that's overpowered as you will not be allowed to take it on the field (and if you did, when clout shooting you'd never see your quarrels again, and when flat shooting you'd probably maim someone!). In my experience, the lower poundage crossbows have a simple string like a longbow and a wooden stave. The metal staved crossbows with the thicker twined strings which look almost like rope are highly likely to be way, way overpowered. They often have a stirrup on the end and/or come with a cocking mechanism of some kind.

As ever, the above is from my own limited experience - someone with more knowledge will no doubt correct me!


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Postby Tod » Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:01 pm

I took up being an archer last year after years of doing later periods. There are lots of very helpful people on here who gave stacks of advice, but they is also a lot of confused stuff as well.
I think I can safely point you in the right direction regarding kit and weapons. If you'd like to PM your number I'll give you a ring, and I'm not a million miles away in Bletchley.



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Postby Fox » Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:19 pm

If you go to Kelmarsh drop in and see Cloak'd and Dagger'd.

It's unlikely you'll catch me on the stall, it's the missus' business, I intend to be socialising.

But it's not a bad place to start for costume, so it's worth taking a card.

If I am about, I'll happily answer questions about getting involved in re-enactment in general. Also, we may (or may not) have Andy Bradley with us on the stall, who knows really quite a lot about medieval archers, both genuine and re-enacted.



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Postby Jim » Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:59 pm

Other vendors I can also recommend:

Forgotten Archery - for bows, arrows & accessories
Sally Green - for hose, shirt, doublet, coat
Get Dressed for Battle - helmets, bucklers, boots
Kovex Ars - gauntlets
Mark Vickers / St George Armoury - swords, arming points
Dressed to Kill - Plate Armour components & helmets
Cap-a-pie - Maille shirts

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Postby Chris, yclept John Barber » Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:32 am

Jim wrote:Regarding crossbows...A crossbow with a low enough poundage to be safely used on the field (probably 30-40 pounds) will usually lack any kind of drawing mechanism (goat's foot / pulley etc) as they are easily drawn by hand - so make sure you are able to draw it before you buy it. That said, it'll still be easier on your arms overall to use a crossbow than a longbow.


I recall seeing a guy using a windlass-drawn crossbow some years ago. A major production: attach the pulleys to the butt, attach the hooks to the string, wind four or five complete revolutions with the (quite long) handles on the pulleys, engage the string in the trigger, then when the string was locked, unhook it all.

I spoke to him and discovered that the draw weight of his bow was about 30lb. It was all for show!

So if you do have difficulty with a bow, don't think that you'll look wierd using a goat's foot or similar to draw a crossbow that most people could easily draw by hand. The public will assume that it's a monster you need mechanical assistance to draw. Other re-enactors will assume that you're trying to look as authentic as possible, and appreciate the effort you're going to.

Personally, when I do use a crossbow, it's about a 30lb draw, but I always ham it up: use the foot stirrup, draw it slowly, and make a production of it. When the public's not watching, I can shoot ten or occasionally even twelve bolts a minute!


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Postby Jim » Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:09 am

Chris, yclept John Barber wrote:I recall seeing a guy using a windlass-drawn crossbow some years ago. A major production: attach the pulleys to the butt, attach the hooks to the string, wind four or five complete revolutions with the (quite long) handles on the pulleys, engage the string in the trigger, then when the string was locked, unhook it all.

I spoke to him and discovered that the draw weight of his bow was about 30lb. It was all for show!


Ha! that's cool! :D 8)


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Postby Nigel » Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:57 pm

If you want to talk early drop into our unwashed pit thsi weekend we have some crossbow men but I dont really talk about them as they are rather smelly

Look for the Norman site you wont miss it there will be a huge sign sayiNG MINE

Oh and ddi I mention we are recruiting too

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Postby Marcus Woodhouse » Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:27 pm

In the close season I'm having a goats foot crank made for my crossbow-again I don't need it-it just will "look" more realistic.


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Postby mattwho » Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:41 am

thanks for all the replys
i am going this weekend so ill be about all satday
ill be in all the shops and ill be peeking in at all the groups,




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Postby James The Archer » Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:58 pm

mattwho wrote:thanks for all the replys
i am going this weekend so ill be about all satday
ill be in all the shops and ill be peeking in at all the groups,
matt

Well hope you had a good weekend, I know I did


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Postby James The Archer » Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:58 pm

mattwho wrote:thanks for all the replys
i am going this weekend so ill be about all satday
ill be in all the shops and ill be peeking in at all the groups,
matt

Well hope you had a good weekend, I know I did


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Postby mattwho » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:30 am

yes i did the only thing wrong with it was the rain



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Postby James The Archer » Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:49 pm

mattwho wrote:yes i did the only thing wrong with it was the rain

Mmmm, was fun trying to keep the powder dry to aviode missfires, hope you found a group you liked


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Postby mattwho » Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:55 pm

to be onest was hard to find a group as i was ther with the misses and she a pain in the bum bum lol



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Postby James The Archer » Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:37 pm

mattwho wrote:to be onest was hard to find a group as i was ther with the misses and she a pain in the bum bum lol
:lol: What's new in that :twisted:


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